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Daniel - Nope. I live off the Red Line.

by asffa in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 27, 2014 9:56 pm • linkreport

And I think if you draw a long enough timescale, the likelihood of statehood approaches 1. But then I've always believed in the direction that the arc of History bends. Call me an optimist.

by DavidC in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 27, 2014 9:02 pm • linkreport

I cannot speak for others, but in my case, the cost of parking at Huntington, the unreliable/infrequent weekend service, and the frequent elevator/escalator 'not in service' conditions are factors that contribute to my reduced use of the Yellow Line.

Am I the only one with factors like these eroding loyalty to Metro?

by Daniel in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 27, 2014 7:45 pm • linkreport

It's too bad the Silver Line doesn't stop at West Falls Church...such a near miss. Don't know why this is, but it would have made sense. Probably has to do with the fact that the Orange Line was built before the Silver Line was designed.

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 27, 2014 5:04 pm • linkreport

Like I said, a voting House member is a compromise. DC is not getting (voting) Senators unless it becomes a state or part of one...both quite unlikely.

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 27, 2014 4:59 pm • linkreport

A house member doesn't get us to full representation. It's more like 80%. Better than the ~65% we're at now, but not full.

by DavidC in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 27, 2014 1:55 pm • linkreport

Is there any reason why the Orange wasn't made to loop back into VA in the first place, like how the Red does? I know why, from a "there's no switch that does that" angle now but back before Shovel of Dirt #1 was turned that it wasn't planned. I can't help but wonder if a world that had an "Orange & Yellow Lines Bridge" and Orange running Vienna-Springfield via...somewhere might have eased having fewer Huntingdon-Largo Blues.

And ANC bugs me because that one station causes so much grief.

by Another Nick in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 27, 2014 11:19 am • linkreport

I like those magnetic sharks that chase the magnetic Jesus fish (which try to swim away in terror), a tableau sometimes seen on people's cars. It's a commentary on how some people feel about pushy Bible thumpers B-)

by Dave G in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 27, 2014 5:47 am • linkreport

Take a walk around Shepherd Park, and you'll see that there is no parking shortage. Yes, it is possible that you may not be able to always park in front of your house, but Shepherd Park is not Colombia Heights or other parking-starved parts of the city.

I'm inclined to believe that this person has an issue with people in Silver Spring in general (or young people that don't look exactly like her), and doesn't like the thought of non-residents walking around Shepherd Park. We also hear complaints about people walking dogs through Shepherd Park, as if the streets and side walks aren't public (and in our nation's capital to boot!).

The residents of Shepherd Park tend to be older and less friendly than some other areas, and this note may just be a reflection of that. "What are these new fangled car thingies blocking my view of the street!"

by Patrick Thornton in Shepherd Park neighbors tell car2go users to stay out on Jul 26, 2014 11:39 pm • linkreport

The tower does honor faiths other than Christianity. To me, its a gefilte fish.

That said, folks should follow the parking laws, and as you say, it would certainly make more sense to arrange to get the private garages open on Sunday than to build municipal garages.

BTW, in other jurisdictions you do not retain voting rights for being a former resident, even a life long one. Nor for owning property. DC is unique in so many ways!

by Jewdishooary Skver in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 8:08 pm • linkreport

@Davin Peterson:

The recent order of the new 7000-series cars also includes enough cars to replace all of the remaining 1000-series cars.

by MDL in Watch Metro grow from one short line in 1976 to the Silver Line today on Jul 26, 2014 6:13 pm • linkreport

@ Frank IBC: You made a good and interesting point, but your math is a little off. 385 + 301 feet = 686 feet, not 656.

by slowlane in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 2:59 pm • linkreport

Simple solution: come up with ways to make weekday only parking more available on Sundays. It's likely that far less money would be required than needed for a garage.

The rest of the money could go to new radio towers that celebrate all faiths as befits a pluralistic society.

by drumz in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 2:49 pm • linkreport

And many of us who live in Maryland and attend church in DC are people who own property in DC, pay DC taxes, grew up in DC, and bought and rehabbed properties in now-trendy neighborhoods that were redlined by the banks in our day.

by August4 in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 2:35 pm • linkreport

Maybe, just perhaps, it's because nearly all of those "numerous parking facilities in the area" are privately-owned and closed on Sunday. An easy solution to the church parking " problem" that so any newcomers find to be so bothersome would be municipal parking garages like the ones other cities have. But, nooooo! And before anyone starts with the "they all come from Maryland" canard, keep in mind that many if not most DC church members are life-long/long-time DC residents.

by August4 in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 2:28 pm • linkreport

Well, it seems this author, Benny was just fired yesterday from Buzzfeed for plagerising content in more than 40 articles. Excuse me if I am not going to take his version of this "story" as gospel.

Again, this guy was itching for conflict and his photos had nothing to do with ugly buildings or architecture.

by Shells in Breakfast links: Silver is coming on Jul 26, 2014 1:21 pm • linkreport

Dave G forget Courtland Milloy - you know you don't mess with little old ladies on their way to church.

by asffa in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 12:44 pm • linkreport

"Even if Rush Plus did cause a significant drop, there's little WMATA can do."

Stop lying.

WMATA can reduce Silver and Orange service to restore minimum service levels for the Blue Line right now, with no new infrastructure, at a net cost of exactly $0. This is the only correct solution to the "problem" of under-serving the Blue Line.

The fact of the matter is, contrary to suggestions made by other commenters here, people will not "make enough noise to get the support Metro will need to go forward with the new tunnel," they will continue to agitate for restored Blue service, which is a prerequisite to building the new tunnel, right up until the day Blue service is finally dropped entirely. Nobody is going to invest the kind of capital into a new tunnel for the Blue line if it continues to atrophy riders on the hopes that a new tunnel "might" cause a surge in ridership, and nobody frankly should.

The fact of the matter is that if WMATA and advocates can't be bothered to support the Blue Line as is because it's somehow unacceptable to give the Blue Line just 3 more trains, then there's no reason to support a separated Blue Line. Instead, adjust the plans for a separated Silver Line instead, and let's just get the fight over cutting the Blue Line entirely over with right now.

by Ryan in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 26, 2014 12:25 pm • linkreport

To the OP's point, reactivate the Shirley busway and build dedicated BRT ROW lanes on 12th and 9th up to F Street so that express bus riders have one-seat rides into Gallery Place and Metro Center. Yes, you lose the 395 HOV lanes but would gain overall capacity. Even with new platforms at major 395 crossings like Shirlington, Duke Street, and even on-395 at the Pentagon itself, this could be implemented within a year for less than the cost of a new outer-Loudon county park and ride garage on the Sprawl - I mean Silver - Line.

Why did Virginia want the Silver line but is uninterested in paying for new Arlington-DC connection? Because Washington Board of Trade members don't see billions in new sprawl real estate profits to be gained from you not having to stand an extra five minutes on a platform or even having a seat.

by Paul H in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 26, 2014 10:00 am • linkreport

23rd Amendment did give DC 3 electoral votes. Interestingly, it was mostly Southern states that rejected or abstained on this amendment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-third_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Ratification_by_the_states

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 26, 2014 8:52 am • linkreport

It's improper especially if it prevents placement of bike infrastructure that was planned to be there. I don't understand why other Sunday church parking arrangements can't be made with at least one of the numerous parking facilities in the area. Guess that would anger Courtland Milloy et. al. too much...

by Dave G in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 8:14 am • linkreport

I don't know which is more ridiculous: the fact that the tallest structure in the capital city of the richest nation in history is a friggin communications tower or the fact that people are upset over having to look at it.

by August4 in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 26, 2014 7:36 am • linkreport

They really should build a metro line along Columbia Pike. If you look at the map, there is a large gap between the Orange and Yellow lines. The area would be a perfect place to extend the blue line, and add density to the core of the metro area. Arlington has shown readiness and capacity to develop transit oriented zones of high density. There is already huge demand along the Pike for faster transit; one needs only look at bus ridership along the pike to see what future metro ridership could be.

by Khan in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 26, 2014 5:56 am • linkreport

@ Arrgh Street:

There used to be a rail line from Rosslyn to the Long Bridge, but that was replaced by the Blue Line.

The only other rail lines were the streetcar lines on the south and west sides of the Cemetery.

by Frank IBC in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 26, 2014 12:29 am • linkreport

@ Josh Gibson:

"[Why] the original, planned Red Line spur (that would have passed through Adams Morgan) got deep-sixed? I've seen the map with the spur on it..."

Because the town fathers of Adams-Morgan at the time fought to keep the criminals and poor people that would ride Metro away from their exclusive neighborhood.

But seriously, it's because that original proposal was based on the subway having only a single line through downtown which then split into three spurs along what is now the Blue/Orange/Silver line to Rosslyn, the Red line along Connecticut Avenue (only as far as Van Ness/UDC), and the line along Connecticut and then Columbia Road, which terminated at a station in the vicinity of 11th Street, Sherman Avenue, Park Road and New Hampshire Avenue.

Once the separate line that is now the northern Green/Yellow Line was proposed, it no longer made sense to have both lines.

Map: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/housingcomplex/files/2012/10/metro-map.jpg

Article: http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/housingcomplex/2012/10/31/a-pipe-dream-for-the-tube/

by Frank IBC in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 26, 2014 12:25 am • linkreport

Regarding the W&OD ... there was a split at Carlyn Springs that is now called the Bluemont Trail. It went up into Ballston, where it followed what is now I-66 all the way to the Roosevelt Bridge. From there, it heads south, where it must have been picked up by the Blue Line construction.

I swear I never remember a railroad running through Arlington Cemetery. If anyone has pictures of this, or knows where there are some, I would love to see them.

by Arrgh Street in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 26, 2014 12:12 am • linkreport

"Circumferential Highway" for the win.

I thought "Beltway" was already in use by then?

by Arrgh Street in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 11:47 pm • linkreport

There are no malls along the FCP. Up closer to the DTR and north of US 50, there is development. South of I-66 and all the way to I-95, nada. (Actually one by South Run)

Regarding the Burke extension... had that been built, I wonder if VRE ever would have come about? Maybe on the Fredericksburg line? Would commuter rail ever have taken hold in Manassas? Would Amtrak have stepped into the void?

Cool map. In another place, I notice they've roughed in part of the eventual alignment of I-66 inside the Beltway, including the ramps that would be built for the Route 7 interchange. All of this would have still been 10+ years away.

by Arrgh Street in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 11:45 pm • linkreport

Metal detectors wouldn't work in the Metro. But I do support aggressive policing, including bad checks and stop and frisk of suspicious persons.

by Molly in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 11:43 pm • linkreport

Well said RL. You need to write a piece on HA soon. I would add that there is something to the lefant trust model - non profit but getting shit done and then selling it for market rate and reinvesting the monies in more renos in the nhood. Some of the great attributes may be attributable to strong management though.

Awesome to see a positive article from the author - given his (understandable) skepticism it says a lot.

by h st ll in Ancostia's historic homes are on the mend on Jul 25, 2014 11:36 pm • linkreport

@ Mike B. -

You didn't wander into a Fox News comments section. A Fox News listener wandered into here.

Seriously, I'm sick of idiots who claim that the Purple Line is nothing more than a way of enabling "criminals" to go from PG County to Bethesda and Chevy Chase more easily.

by Frank IBC in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 11:35 pm • linkreport

@jcp

Technically, yes. However, N01 is the lead to the West Falls Church yard, so Metro probably wouldn't want to make a habit of turning/holding trains there.

The leads to the Alexandria yard could mimic a pocket track in the same way, but I don't recall Metro ever short turning trains there, even in times of track work.

by Rob K in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 25, 2014 11:27 pm • linkreport

I actually am guilty of doing this. I live in Mount Rainier, and typically park a Car2Go right on the edge (you cant park on Eastern Avenue, so you have to park partially a block in). Beacuse of the way the street is blocked (a quarter miel long bus zone - no kidding) - the last house on the block in DC constantly has 2-4 Car2Gos in front of it. Fortunately it has a driveway, but quite honestly, I would be really irked. Not because out of town residents are parking in my car, but beacuse something that's commercially used has drawn their zone boundaries in such a way that it disordinately puts all the impact RIGHT on a few homeonwners. That's a lot different than buying a house next to a metro station and then complaining about density - it's about a private company's zone policy decisions having an impact that wasnt intended at all.

(there is a DC/MD differential here - but both Mount Rainier, MDand Woodridge, DC are steady, middle class neighborhoods that are mostly homeowners). But most of the Mount Rainier users are those without cars or those making a late night return when bus transit service has dropped off.

by BC in Shepherd Park neighbors tell car2go users to stay out on Jul 25, 2014 11:05 pm • linkreport

I agree Fischer. I feel like Jasper has made similar arguments before and I must say I agree!

BTW I was in Colombia last week and rode the TransMillenio. I
The ridership and frequencies were impressive but that is in no way equal to a heavy rail line. Hard to me that prominent folks were saying BRT instead of the silver line. What a disaster that would have been.

I do see how BRT could be a decent substitute for surface rail in certain situations. It's still a damp bus though lol. Ride rough and in Bogota they are still talking about building (and desperately need) a metro. Crazy seeing huge numbers of cars parked outside the city center waiting for rush hour to end so they can drive in to the central part of town. Would never fly in the US.

by h st ll in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 25, 2014 10:24 pm • linkreport

It's bad news for Blue Line riders, but I can't help thinking some of this is strategic. If Blue Line riders get sufficiently agitated, they might make enough noise to get the support Metro will need to go forward with the new tunnel and the other changes that will be increasingly necessary but probably could be used now.

by Fischy (Ed F.) in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 25, 2014 10:02 pm • linkreport

I saw these bandied about in a different venue:

DC PATRIOTS (DC Populace Against The Ridiculous Idea of Total Statehood)

NO-DC-RASH (Neighborhood Organizations of DC Residents Against StateHood)

Status Quo is Good To Go!

"No Representation" means your pipe dreams don't speak for me!

by The Truth™ in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 9:23 pm • linkreport

am very intrigued by the extension of the Blue Line to Backlick and Burke. I still believe that a Blue Line extension should be along the Fairfax County Parkway (and then VA-123), instead of south along I-95. That's where the Yellow Line needs to go, following US-1.
Fairfax could increase its density along the Parkway by upzoning the many stripmalls along the parkway, and filling in the green buffer between the parkway and the communities with highrises.
Where are you talking about, Jasper? There actually isn't much of a green buffer along the PARKway and I'm also not sure where the many strip malls are along the parkway.

by selxic in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 8:37 pm • linkreport

Which is something I am advocating for by giving DC a full voting member of Congress.

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 7:22 pm • linkreport

If memory serves me correctly, most of those Capitol districts have full representation in the federal government.

by David C in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 6:50 pm • linkreport

Guys, blaming metro for crime is so 1999. Now we blame Wilson students.

by gimbels lover in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 6:47 pm • linkreport

Based on how many other countries keep control over their own capital districts for the same reasons we do, to prevent any one state from gaining an advantage by hosting the capital city, I just don't see anything changing for DC other than maybe getting a voting Rep. in Congress.

"A capital territory or capital district is normally a specially designated administrative division where a country's seat of government is located. As such, in a federal model of government, no state or territory has any political or economic advantage relative to the others because of the national capital lying within its borders. A capital territory can be a specific form of federal district."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_district

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 6:39 pm • linkreport

West Virginia started out as the Restored Government of Virginia after Virginia seceded in 1861 at the start of the Civil War. And it gained statehood in 1863 in part because the eleven rebellious Southern states weren't exactly in a position to object:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_West_Virginia#Civil_War_and_split

They DID have the permission of the remaining Union states. Now that's needed from most of the 50 states for any changes in statehood for DC/Maryland etc.

by Dave G in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 6:33 pm • linkreport

@Rob K

So the according to the schematic a train could turn around at the Pinefield Street (N01) switch if necessary.

by jcp in Did Rush Plus depress Blue Line ridership? on Jul 25, 2014 6:27 pm • linkreport

Wow, guys, are we really going to do this? I didn't know I wandered into a Fox News comment section. Seriously, I expected better.

by Mike B in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 6:26 pm • linkreport

Maybe if Metro just put metal detectors at the inbound fare gates in certain SE and PG stations, then everyone would be happy. :)

by Jack in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 6:21 pm • linkreport

That's a lot of actuallys. It's what I get for not previewing.

by Low Headways in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 6:03 pm • linkreport

MLD - That canard is probably the number 1 reason Metro doesn't have night owl service

by asffa in The Metro plan has changed a lot since 1968 on Jul 25, 2014 5:35 pm • linkreport

We need the spiral line. It would swirl around staring in the exurbs and get closer and closer to the center of the city with each full turn.

by NE John in Watch Metro grow from one short line in 1976 to the Silver Line today on Jul 25, 2014 5:26 pm • linkreport

I don't believe retro-cession to MD (and/or VA) is a good idea. As a lifelong DC resident, if put me in a room long enough with a virginian and a marylander and a fight will break out. First, I would team with the MD guy against the VA guy, and then turn on the MD guy FTW.

Statehood for DC

by NE John in Breakfast links: Silver Line eve on Jul 25, 2014 5:23 pm • linkreport

@Jack - Even though we've had that discussion on here several times and I'm not going to get into it right now, yes I agree that granting such privileges is improper.

by Dave G in Forget the Washington Monument; DC's tallest tower is actually in Ward 4 on Jul 25, 2014 5:09 pm • linkreport

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