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You gloss over the less pleasant fact that the town of Falls Church split of off Fairfax County in 1948 to become the independent city it is now to "establish a highly acclaimed school system" meaning all-white with the black students bused over to Fairfax.

I'm pretty sure this is not true. Tinner Hill is the historically black section of the City of Falls Church and their residents (of any race) have always gone to City schools.

The real story is that the City wanted to raise taxes to pay for better schools. Fairfax County didn't want to do that, so the City split off.

by Falls Church in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:36 pm • linkreport

No go for me

by Ervin in Events: Should I-66 get toll lanes inside the Beltway? on Dec 5, 2016 1:36 pm • linkreport

@Jasper, a lot of it has to do with Virginia's constitution, but first the Alexandria thing. The USPS uses routing centers in addresses, not political jurisdictions as "your" city. So the Falls Church routing center services all the ZIP codes listed above in Fairfax County, and the Alexandria routing center sends mail throughout Fairfax County along the Potomac River. Of course, anyone who has ever been to Anthony's lately knows that the Falls Church routing center is replaced by Harris Teeter and its functions have been consolidated, so the system becomes even more inexplicable.

On to City of Fairfax. Virginia is on its seventh constitution since the Revolution, and had several colonial charters. A courthouse was established in Fairfax in the mid-1600s, though I seem to recall that its original location is unknown, though I've also seen it was near Tyson's Corner. After a stint in Alexandria, the Courthouse was finally established in its present location in 1790, and "Fairfax Court House" became the name of the location for over a hundred years.

Beginning in 1871, Virginia adopted a system of governance in which "independent cities" could exist within counties with their own governments and power in Richmond. But everyone also realized it was going to be difficult to build up a whole new system as cities seceded from their counties, so they allowed cities to also serve as county seats and divided independent cities between first and second class cities. Falls Church and Fairfax are both the latter, which means they share court systems with their mother county too.

by Pat in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:36 pm • linkreport

Liberal immigration policies that can make up for the brain drain that plagues many of these places.

Filling these struggling cities that have no jobs with lots of low-skill workers will do nothing to help them, but create more people with little hope and lots of dependency on the government. Plus, why would immigrants want to go to a city that is in decline and has little for job prospects?

by ArlingtonFlyer in National links: There are downsides to letting the Rust Belt shrink on Dec 5, 2016 1:32 pm • linkreport

Regarding pizzagate. I was working as a newspaper reporter in the pre-Web era. Our newspaper was getting calls about a particularly horrifying incident. A woman, said callers, was shopping at a local mall department store. She was inside the bathroom when a robber demanded her valuables, including the ring on her finger. He couldn't get the ring off, so he cut off her finger.

An editor tasked me with finding out the truth.

I got on the phone with one of the callers and asked her how she knew this had happened. A close friend told her, she said. Does you friend know the victim? She didn't know, but put me in touch with her friend. The second person said she had heard it from someone else and didn't have direct knowledge of the alleged victim. Ok, I said. But how did know it was true? She just knew it, she explained. She was convinced of it, she said. And how come the police didn't report it? Because it would hurt the mall's business, she explained. A perfectly closed loop.

The cops knew about it because they were getting calls from people demanding why they hadn't reported the incident to the media.They said it was complete fiction.

Nonetheless, I went to the department store and asked the clerks whether they had heard anything about the woman who got her finger cut off. They looked at me like I was crazy.

This happened in 1980s and I was new reporter. The thing I remember the most about this was how convinced -- how utterly certain -- some people were that this had happened. That seems to be another element of the pizzagate and urban legends generally: Conspiracy of silence by authorities. In this case, to protect a major taxpayer, the mall.

Not at all surprise that someone took the pizzagate fantasy and crossed the Rubicon into the real world with it.

by kob in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 1:30 pm • linkreport

@Hadur--
One way to explain it is that no swaths of Alexandria are outside Alexandria, because then they wouldn't be Alexandria.
What I've heard people say for the past few decades, is "Postal Alexandria", meaning the post office calls it Alexandria, but it's not really Alexandria. That is what I said when I lived in Fairfax County near Seven Corners, but my address was "Falls Church". I said I lived in "Postal Falls Church".
The post office addresses do not necessarily identify jurisdictional boundaries.

by Patrick B in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:25 pm • linkreport

For those interested in the history of towns and cities in Virginia, and why they are what they are

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Administrative_divisions_of_Virginia

Scroll down to the annexation portion.

That's really why they formed (other than the handful that actually date to colonial times)

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:20 pm • linkreport

Its nice to see the statue is going to stay. Like it or not, its a piece of Virginia history. This is the south and a lot of people died defending a bad idea. Its not a bad idea to remember that. its not an honor, more like a giant tombstone that reads- "a lot of people died because we couldn't agree on something in a civil manner."

by Zz in Breakfast links: Metro is repeating itself on Dec 5, 2016 1:19 pm • linkreport

@Jasper

"The deal with Fairfax City being independent from Fairfax County, yet being its capital and containing the County's government center is completely incomprehensible."

It would be... if it were true, which it is not. The only county wide facility to my knowledge there is the courthouse. That's a legacy of a long time ago.

The rest of the county buildings are located a Fair Oaks (Herrity building and all that at "Government Center Parkway")

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Herrity+Building/@38.8566426,-77.3633194,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x9c849ea02314a2e7?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix0duQ1N3QAhUG7CYKHeiSAyYQ_BIIfDAO

Also, not sure where you are getting your facts about Falls Church schools, that's not at all the reason why it split off from the rest of Fairfax County (the idea of segregating schools). If anything Falls Church was a far more progressive portion of Fairfax at that time, as well as Vienna.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:16 pm • linkreport

As I read that Post column, I kept waiting for Jack Evans' response to Robert Thomson's accusations or, at least, for some perfunctory acknowledgement that Evans was contacted and didn't call back. But, no. It's just a hit piece that takes all of Wiedefeld's assertions about what Metro "needs" at face value and accuses Evans of putting the financial gain of certain businesses in his ward ahead of those indisputable safety "needs." No way to know if Evans has any other possible rationale (skepticism about what's really needed, accountability for performing the work efficiently, etc.) for pushing back on Wiedefeld's request. It appears the Post couldn't be bothered to ask.

Of course, given the tone of the article, and of Thomson's other Metro-related "journalism," one wonders if he even wrote the piece himself, or just copied and pasted it out of an email from Dan Stessel.

by Jimmy in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 1:16 pm • linkreport

@cyco -- Thanks for your reply! This was very helpful and informative.
- FTA is the only federal agency with jurisdiction over WMATA. To change that to FRA or anyone else would require an act of Congress, and so far they haven't acted in that regard. (Note that the NTSB's recommendation is for USDOT to ask Congress to change the law - an important distinction that is often lost in the media.)
It's definitely a bit confusing. The article mentions that Anthony Foxx gave responsibility for oversight to the FTA instead of FRA, which is weird and mean if it wasn't even his choice to make.

by Michelle Richenbach in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 1:16 pm • linkreport

@Falls Church "I'd say the SecDef's prime concern is advising the President on whether to take military action."

I disagree, insofar as there's also a National Security advisor (and his or her team of anywhere from 50 to 400 people) and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who is statutorily the military advisor to the President).

Is it important that the SecDef (and SecState) be involved in the decisions regarding authorizations of military force? Certainly. But that can't be his or her primary job. The DoD is too big, has too many moving parts, for the SecDef to make the main focus the decision loops of national security policy.

But yes, my main thing here is, like you say - Mattis isn't in the same category of many of these other clowns, even if he might not quite be the right person for the job imo. He would at least, certainly take the job seriously and meets the minimum standards for experience and temperament.

by Kolohe in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 1:12 pm • linkreport

I live in Falls Church City. There’s a huge difference between Falls Church City and the Falls Church addresses in Fairfax County. The broader definition includes a lot of auto-oriented suburban sprawl. The narrow definition is very pedestrian friendly and has committed to a lot of the walkable urbanism that this blog promotes. You can see the difference in house prices, for instance. Otherwise equivalent single family homes will often sell for $100K+ more in Falls Church City compared to homes right outside the border, primarily due to the perceived quality of the school system.

Fun fact: The City’s northeastern border was originally the border with DC itself back before Virginia took back the land forming DC’s original 10x10 mile diamond. The boundary stones still exist today (one is located in a small park close to the East Falls Church Metro station).

by Jason S. in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:11 pm • linkreport

Yeah I need an explanation of why vast swaths of Alexandria are not in the actual city of Alexandria.

by Hadur in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:10 pm • linkreport

I work in Skyline on Leesburg Pike. It has a "Falls Church" mailing address, but I call it Bailey's Crossroads. Riding the bus east on Leesburg Pike from work (toward Alexandria) I pass a sign that says you are leaving Bailey's Crossroads, so I guess Bailey's Crossroads has a boundary. :-)

by Steve Dunham in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:09 pm • linkreport

115 East Fairfax Street.

by JimT in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:05 pm • linkreport

@ Michelle re: FTA vs. FRA

This kind of got lost in the shuffle, but a few quick points:

- FTA is the only federal agency with jurisdiction over WMATA. To change that to FRA or anyone else would require an act of Congress, and so far they haven't acted in that regard. (Note that the NTSB's recommendation is for USDOT to ask Congress to change the law - an important distinction that is often lost in the media.)

- The Federal Transit Administration, as the name implies, has more specific experience/expertise with transit in general and WMATA specifically. For example they're already responsible for overseeing WMATA's federal funds.

- FRA does have existing standards and certain authorities (like issuing fines) that FTA does not, but these are geared toward the national railroad system, which is pretty different than an urban transit system like WMATA. Their standards for track, railcars, power systems, etc. would not be directly applicable.

I'm not sure if FRA is currently overburdened - if so that's not an argument that DOT has made publicly. But it wouldn't surprise me, since the national railroad system is enormous and they've recently experienced serious safety issues with Amtrak and NJ Transit. (And according to FTA's testimony they're already using some inspectors on loan from FRA anyway - nothing stopping DOT from sharing resources internally, so to speak.)

by cyco in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 1:04 pm • linkreport

I wish the media (not GGW, which is scrupulously accurate) would stop using "Alexandria" to refer to a large swathe of what is in fact Fairfax County. This usually occurs in lurid reports of a murder or other crime.

Not that there isn't crime in Alexandria - we just notched the third murder in a neighborhood adjacent to mine! - but the City doesn't need the discredit that comes from bad things in Hyble Valley and similar.

by Willow in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 1:02 pm • linkreport

*discontinue

by Chester B. in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 12:55 pm • linkreport

Anyway, it's clear many people are not "smart enough to figure out what is real and what is not."

Perhaps this mean GGW will continue it's April Fool's Day posts?

by Chester B. in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 12:55 pm • linkreport

@Jasper, screaming fire in a cinema is a form of information. If falsified passion-esc information is beneficial to society, I'd like to know how.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 12:51 pm • linkreport

Jasper: Unfortunately, Facebook (at least) sort of functions as a filter anyway. It has algorithms that choose what you see, and as many have argued, those algorithms end up suggesting news that best matches your existing views, creating "filter bubbles" where everyone sees news that supports their own perspectives.

So Facebook having humans would introduce a different kind of biases, but the current system isn't without bias of a different sort.

Anyway, it's clear many people are not "smart enough to figure out what is real and what is not."

by David Alpert in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 12:51 pm • linkreport

You gloss over the less pleasant fact that the town of Falls Church split of off Fairfax County in 1948 to become the independent city it is now to "establish a highly acclaimed school system" meaning all-white with the black students bused over to Fairfax.

The whole messing with borders in NoVa makes areas difficult to define. Fairfax County uses both Falls Church and Alexandria for quite large areas outside both cities, leading to the confusion.

The deal with Fairfax City being independent from Fairfax County, yet being its capital and containing the County's government center is completely incomprehensible.

Arlington is consistent and calls all of itself Arlington in postal addresses, despite the fact that parts of it historically are part of Falls Church and Alexandria. Arlington was the County of Alexandria when it was retroceded, before it was renamed to Arlington County to avoid the confusion with the City of Alexandria.

All in all, articles like this show how truly random the jurisdictional lines on the map in NoVa are, and this is why is saddens me when people pretend people on different sides of the same random line have very different interests.

In all honesty, it would probably be more efficient for Fairfax County, City, Falls Church, Arlington and Alexandria to just merge into one county. There is enough intercounty collaboration that the borders barely exist anyway.

by Jasper in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:51 pm • linkreport

@drumz --

Thanks for that!
It’s the clearest explanation I’ve seen in years! For the longest time I also used to think that Fairfax was in Alexandria (or maybe Alexandria was in Fairfax, or something) but someone else on here set me straight a while back.

by Michelle Richenbach in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:39 pm • linkreport

Fairfax County, Fairfax Station, and City of Fairfax, and I was recently informed that there was something going on.

Fairfax County: Big county in Northern Virginia.

City of Fairfax: An independent enclave within Fairfax County. They have their own mayor/city council as opposed to Fairfax County's Board of Supervisors. However the court system (and school system) for both entities is shared so if you get a ticket in the city of Fairfax you have to pay it at the same courthouse if you get a ticket in the County. So there is an enclave within the enclave.

Fairfax Station: An area within Fairfax County where an actual train station used to be in the 19th century. Not much of a "town" there today.

Falls Church is even blurrier; East Falls Church is in Arlington per the article, which is fine. And West Falls Church

The actual metro station for East Falls Church is entirely within Arlington County. But it's closer to Falls Church than any significant area in Arlington.

The area around West Falls Church has changed a little bit. I believe the station itself is still physically located in Fairfax County. But a recent land swap transferred some land around there (particularly at the schools right there) from Fairfax's Jurisdiction to the independent city of Falls Church.

But again, the station is closer to the center of Falls Church than it is to anything in Fairfax County.

by drumz in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:32 pm • linkreport

Interesting trivia--one reason Arlington had to rename a bunch of streets and instituted the naming scheme back in the 1930s was so the entire entire county could get "Arlington" addresses. It's also the only jurisdiction in Virginia (that I'm aware of) where the political boundaries and post office designations are strictly co-terminous. (Except for oddballs like DCA and the Pentagon that have "DC" addresses.)

And to the author--I see you're a Captain in the Virginia Defense Force. Very cool. Our "state militia," i.e., as distinct from the National Guard.

by Paul W. in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:29 pm • linkreport

The same thing happens with Alexandria and McLean/Vienna.

The former deals with another independent city but also the larger section of Fairfax County mostly clustered along Route 1. If you live in Hybla Valley mail that gets posted to your address may say "123 Any Street, Alex. Va 22---"

In Vienna/McLean you have either being the post office town for Tyson's Corner which is only now getting a post office code. It's been funny when I get contacted about jobs in either Vienna or McLean and I have to ask if they actually mean Tyson's.

Anyway, back to Falls Church. Anything in the large box between 50, 66, 495, and the Arlington County Line I can consider "greater falls church". There are census designated places but who calls the area along 50 "Jefferson"?

by drumz in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:21 pm • linkreport

Is it just me, or are there are a lot of fuzzy/indistinct borders in the Fairfax region? I've always been slightly puzzled between the difference between Fairfax County, Fairfax Station, and City of Fairfax, and I was recently informed that there was something going on.

And my understanding of Falls Church is even blurrier; East Falls Church is in Arlington per the article, which is fine. And West Falls Church is in... Maryland? Fairfax? Russia?

I dunno.

by Michelle Richenbach in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:14 pm • linkreport

@ Michelle:Reddit took down ...

Facebook used to have humans reviewing news content to filter out the junk but they got hammered for having a 'conservative bias' ...

I think the larger problem is that I don't really want to live in a world where reddit and facebook function as a filter on what's online and what not. I'd prefer to live in a world where people are smart enough to figure out what is real and what is not. More information is always better than less information, even if part of that information is crap.

by Jasper in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 12:12 pm • linkreport

Having grown up in the very southern section of the five zip codes (outside the yellow boundary, above), I told people I lived "in a triangle between Annandale, Baileys Crossroads, and Falls Church"...or alternatively "5 minutes from nothing but 20 minutes from everything."
That lack of being 5 minutes from anything inspired me to want to live in a more transit friendly/closer-in-suburb environment when I finally had a say in where I ended up.

by Joe in SS in Where is Falls Church, exactly? on Dec 5, 2016 12:11 pm • linkreport

All these things degrade the public space. And that is terrible.

These design elements exists *explicitly* because of a preexisting "degradation" of public space.

Anyone who has an interest in seeing urbanism succeed has an interest in balancing the needs of *all* of the city's residents. That means disaffected skateboarding youths, homeless people, chronic substance abusers, the profoundly mentally ill, yes. But it also means children, families, picnickers, and Ultimate Frisbee'ers.

Unless we make the public spaces in the city a reasonably pleasant place for everyone, the suburban model will always prevail. And no, "we'll spruce things up after we eliminate all social ills forever" is not a reasonable course of action.

by oboe in Are public spaces really public when not everybody can use them? on Dec 5, 2016 12:01 pm • linkreport

@michelle

loving the comments as usual

That is all

@navid

pretty hard to have a conversation in this format. I think I've said what I wanted to say. have a good day.

by curious in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:59 am • linkreport

National Harbor has that new casino. It's a bit of a tourist trap which melds well with CaBi.

by Michelle Richenbach in Coming soon: Bikeshare in Prince George's County on Dec 5, 2016 11:57 am • linkreport

This is great.

And this is especially important for the national harbor. It is now a major employment center that needs more transit infrastructure.

by Largo Living in Coming soon: Bikeshare in Prince George's County on Dec 5, 2016 11:50 am • linkreport

@Falls Church, follow up, believe me I am extremely outraged out everything regarding the comet fake-news BS. Don't take my comments to mean that I don't want the justice system to step in. But there should always be some caution regarding draconian measures to address specific problems.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:46 am • linkreport

Facebook used to have humans reviewing news content to filter out the junk but they got hammered for having a 'conservative bias' so they are using an automated system and all automated systems are fallible (for now).

Facebook generates something like $10B a year in revenue from fake news. Funny how their system is just fallible enough to make then $10B a year. Very convenient.

by Falls Church in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:45 am • linkreport

@Falls Church

I get that, but that's how all legal system issues are addressed. I suppose if federal prosecutors or DC attorney felt this is to the level of necessitating it, they too could follow up. If Comet wants to go that route, I assume they talked to the MPD about the incident and will request follow up. Considering MPD is probably going to need to put special security around the place for a while (atleast through inauguration) it's not crazy to push that the MPD actually open up a case on this I suppose.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:41 am • linkreport

If they have robust filters and means of spotting and removing fake news, then they wouldn't be liable. But, it's plain as day that they're doing virtually nothing today. Policing the content wouldn't be hard or expensive. The reason Facebook hesitates to do it is that fake news generates an enormous amount of ad revenue.
Reddit took down their subreddit and administrators have been aggressive about deleting the pizzagate comments but of course there are likely millions of comments on the site per day and no one can guarantee that they'll all be caught instantaneously.

Facebook used to have humans reviewing news content to filter out the junk but they got hammered for having a 'conservative bias' so they are using an automated system and all automated systems are fallible (for now).

I think content providers can do more, but you guys are talking about stripping away the safe harbor exemption and that's going to hit a lot of people *even if* they catch and remove the content. In fact, under the way our defamation laws work the fact that sites like reddit attempt to remove libelous content could be used as evidence against them in a civil action -- that's what the safe harbor protects them from now. Just advising a little caution because I think some of the technical aspects are being lost in the outrage.

I agree with you on the potential benefit of holding Congressional hearings in order to shine a spotlight and encourage the development of better/more effective methods.

by Michelle Richenbach in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:40 am • linkreport

. If I were Comet Ping Pong, I'd have a lawyer ready to get in front of a judge to ask for an injunction if this misinformation continues to endanger it's employees

If the only way Comet can get protection from false news is by hiring an expensive lawyer to fight a huge corporation, there is something very wrong with the system and it needs to be reformed. I don't know the exact solution but a mom-and-pop pizza shop can't be expected to sue Facebook, Reddit, Google, etc.

by Falls Church in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:36 am • linkreport

What I find disturbing most is the lack of data tracking on how well the Youth Act program works; the Post had to use a statistical analysis which lawyers despise since too many of them are math averse.

To me, that is indefensible even if you still think the law is a good idea. This is actually a problem throughout the country; we don't actually have good information about what best practices are in so many areas -- curtailing gun crime, curtailing police brutality, improving the reliability of forensic testimony, lowering recidivism, dealing with sex offenders, etc. We have a lot of ideology from advocacy groups and spin from lawyers, police officers, and judges but data on what works and what doesn't is either not collected or actively suppressed.

To me, the first step in fixing DC's justice system as a whole is to start collecting these metrics. Anonymize it if you have to in order to protect the ones that have truly left crime behind, but collect the darn data. The worst criminal justice policy is made out of anecdotes.

by Michelle Richenbach in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:34 am • linkreport

Outside of the entire premise of this article being ridiculous. Racism isn't keeping anyone down in this day and age.

This statement is wrong:
"whereas 31 percent of Hispanics and only 17 percent of blacks have a high school diploma or GED."
It's funny that you could even type that without noticing. It should be that 31 and 17 percent DON'T have HS diplomas.

by Tim in If racial inequities didn't exist, DC would look like this... on Dec 5, 2016 11:29 am • linkreport

"Why can't the same level of action be taken when people's lives are endangered by false news?"

Who says it can't. If I were Comet Ping Pong, I'd have a lawyer ready to get in front of a judge to ask for an injunction if this misinformation continues to endanger it's employees/business (which there is a very solid case that it is given yesterday).

Whether they are or planning to is another question, but I don't think there is any thing stopping them from trying. Whether a judge will agree with that request is a whole other matter.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:29 am • linkreport

- UN Ambassador with no FP exp.

What does the UN Ambassador have to do with making Washington greater?

by Chester B. in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:25 am • linkreport

@Falls Church, because sourcing something tangible is different than bits and pieces of "discussion" being posted. Child pornography can be traced, it's a thing, and it has a source and specific poster or posters, etc. Conspiracy, is an idea, it is an aggregate of bits and while there are people who might keep posting subreddits to "discuss" it, no one source is necessarily the propagator. If there is one, then the actionable person would be prosecuted for libel or endangerment etc, but reddit (stopping that posting and giving whatever information to the authorities if its a case of endangerment) won't stop the information from continuing to be posted.

Again, they CAN be required to remove the information, they have been actually with regard to pizzagate, but more and more subreddits keep going around them. If the public endangerment gets to a certain level a judge could in theory have an injunction to shut down reddit as a whole until they can control that, but it would have to be a very high degree, and have evidence that reddit has not shown awareness or evidence of banning/censoring the false information.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:25 am • linkreport

Most of them do police content, but I think you may be underestimating how difficult it is to catch harmful content instantaneously or prior to publication.

PizzaGate has been ongoing for months.

If you want them to hold them civilly liable when these methods fail to catch them,

If they have robust filters and means of spotting and removing fake news, then they wouldn't be liable. But, it's plain as day that they're doing virtually nothing today. Policing the content wouldn't be hard or expensive. The reason Facebook hesitates to do it is that fake news generates an enormous amount of ad revenue.

by Falls Church in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:25 am • linkreport

obviously in the case of child pornography there is a much higher level of action taken.

Why can't the same level of action be taken when people's lives are endangered by false news?

by Falls Church in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:21 am • linkreport

This issue needs to be tackled by legal experts, not me. Even if there isn't a great legal solution, simply having hearings on the topic and demanding that these very very profitable companies spend more resources on policing the content of their sites would go a long way. If they don't do that voluntarily, there are a lot of ways the government can make life hard for them.
Most of them do police content, but I think you may be underestimating how difficult it is to catch harmful content instantaneously or prior to publication. Right now, content providers generally use proactive and reactive tools; content filters, human or automated moderators, etc. If you want them to hold them civilly liable when these methods fail to catch them, that's fine but it will get an enormous amount of pushback for obvious reasons.

I think hearings might be a good way to raise awareness and get people thinking about , but don't expect there to be a quick legislative solution that wouldn't have dramatic follow-on consequences for everyone who uses the Internet today.

by Michelle Richenbach in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:19 am • linkreport

@Falls Church, courts can issue injunctions on a case by case basis. If Reddit keeps deleting and banning, but thousands of posters keep going around that then the judge in a particular case can decide what actions are necessary based on the evidence regarding whether Reddit is truly doing enough.

Reductio ad absurdum doesn't help anyone in this case, obviously in the case of child pornography there is a much higher level of action taken. In the case of opinions becoming lies becoming conspiracies it's more nuanced and far harder to regulate.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:17 am • linkreport

So the government should be able to ban a website if they don't do a good enough job monitoring user comments?

They should be able to take whatever action they can currently take if a website doesn't do a good enough job keeping user-generated pedophilia off their site.

by Falls Church in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:14 am • linkreport

@CBF, I think you are playing into his basic connotation too much, this website is not a transportation only website.

Greater Greater Washington builds informed and civically engaged communities who believe in a growing and inclusive Washington region and speak up for livable communities and high-quality education for all.

An armed gunman, fulfilling some crazed conspiracy theory ideas in DC, is about information regarding the community. It affects the Washington region. It certainly put residents at risk.

If that is the one he has problems with, I have to say, I'm curious as to why you(Curious) believe that shouldn't be something people discuss.

by Navid Roshan-Afshar in Breakfast links: Stand with Comet Pizza on Dec 5, 2016 11:13 am • linkreport

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