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I live about a mile from the proposed site, so you are right that I don't live as close as McLean Gardens. I suspect that Cathedral Commons has increased the property values in McLean Gardens by a lot more than the shelter would lower them, if at all. I have trouble seeing how a shelter of this size for families would lower property values, especially given the massive development that has gone on around there. I wonder if there is any data on this. Martha's Table has done nothing to lower property values along 14th Street and, in fact, is having to relocate because property values have gotten too high. I understand the anxiety about this but I haven't seen anything to support the fear. certainly nothing was presented at the meeting.

by Deborah Lewis in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 29, 2016 5:16 am • linkreport

To those claiming homeless shelters increase property values, that holds true only if placed in distressed neighborhoods. Mclean Gardens is not a distressed neighborhood. Those cheering for it to be located in MG simply dont want it in their own backyards, .they are the real hypocrites here. MG is a middle class neighborhood and it will depress the property values. Why do Cheh and Mendelsohn not admit this? its because their own property values are safe from such depreciation. They assured themselevs of that by voting to keep the shelters away from their own streets.What hypocrites!

by Mclean Gardens is middle class in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 29, 2016 1:00 am • linkreport

@yepitsme (and everyone else going on about NIMBYs): presumably this is **not** going to be in most of your backyards, so maybe you should lay off the moralizing crap. As I have said, McLean Gardens is not a wealthy neighborhood. It is a middle class one, and plenty of its residents have been squeezed in recent years (I dare say more than in most of Ward 3). People are understandably nervous about any change that could impact their well-being and about which they were not consulted. The way to bring them around is to take their concerns seriously, even if they are misguided, not to take potshots. Try treating people how you would like to be treated if you were in their shoes (the same goes for homeless families, of course, which is why I support the shelter despite being frustrated with the process).

by McLean Gardens resident in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 11:43 pm • linkreport

Most of the residents of the new shelter will be children, and they will be young children at that. There will be no visitors allowed, with security to keep them out. I don't know what everyone is afraid of. The NIMBYs will not win, because the council has voted and because this is a progressive city that cares for its own.

by yepitsme in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 10:37 pm • linkreport

Anonymity is often necessary to prevent harassment for holding unpopular views. Which is why voting is done that way.

by mick in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 10:31 pm • linkreport

I don't know about a literal conflict of interest. But it certainly calls out for some sort of explanation. You would think she would be sensitive to that fact, and to the perception that her less wealthy constituents are getting the short end of the stick. Again, terrible process, even if the result may be defensible.

by McLean Gardens resident in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 7:45 pm • linkreport

Come to think of it, one of the ward 3 sites on Albermarle was in Mary Cheh's street, but it is privately owned. By voting for shelters
to be in DC owned property she used her elective position to favor her own personal, property interest. isnt that a conflict of interest? I say we have that site revived for ward 3. apparently it is latge enough for the 50 units she wants .

by Mclean Gardens newbie in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 7:29 pm • linkreport

Corruption drains public resources and erodes public confidence in the government. Sometimes a corrupt or unethical leader can be effective but that's not a safe assumption to make, and in any case even their good work ends up costing much more than it actually has to.

by Charity in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 28, 2016 7:11 pm • linkreport

@DC Parent:

What is more disheartening is how few people seem to have stepped forward to say we need to help these families.

This is the official policy of the DC government, elected by a majority of your neighbors. Obviously it's got public support. Furthermore, most of the opposition has been around the form the delivery of these services will take, not whether these families should be helped. DC has 70% of the region's poor, and support services are still politically popular. So I'm not sure what more you want from people.

by oboe in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 6:04 pm • linkreport

Well run cities need a little power play on the sides. Admittedly, I'm from Chicago but I've never understood why progressives get their pantees in a wad about ethical lapses. If the city is working, that's all that should matter.

To those who think Marion Barry is reason that the GOP doesn't let DC have statehood, I have a bridge that runs across the river of racism to sell you.

by Christopher in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 28, 2016 5:56 pm • linkreport

@Pepin, This is an anonymous letter. That means that we have no idea whether this was written by neighborhood residents or not. We don’t know whether the letter represents the author’s true opinions or whether its purpose was to distort neighborhood questions and concerns, and cast anyone asking questions in a bad light, including the deliberate use of hyperbole, poor writing and poor grammar.

by Michael in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 3:32 pm • linkreport

Yikes. Putting aside the NIMBYism and misconceptions in the letter, is no one else concerned that the author's poor grammar and writing makes him/her a candidate for remedial education?

Also, sign your name to a letter or you're a coward.

by Pepin in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 2:20 pm • linkreport

I resent the implication that the people objecting to the shelter are all super-wealthy elites. McLean Gardens is solidly middle class by DC standards, and definitely one of the least wealthy parts of the ward. Far less affluent than where Mary Cheh lives (and with crappier schools). Some of the furor here is driven by a sense that the city's true elite are once again foisting their altruism off on their middle class neighbors.

All of that said, while the process stinks, the actual substance of this decision appears to make a degree of sense. The freaking out about a "mini-DC General" seems especially silly, given the location next to a police station.

by McLean Gardens resident in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 10:33 am • linkreport

This is absurd. I was at that community meeting and while about a third of those present were NIMBYs, there was clearly an equal number of residents who were strongly in support of the shelter. The last third were people with legitimate questions and concerns that were alleviated by the presenters. Were you even at the meeting? By exaggerating the numbers of NIMBYs you elevate their position. The TRUTH is that most local residents understand our moral obligation to support homeless families in this manner.

by yepitsme in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 9:54 am • linkreport

Question for Please Delete My 'Comment':

Which DC Mayor was a member of the Metro Board for 10 YEARS?

It WASN'T Vincent Gray, genius.

by Mark Stein in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 28, 2016 9:28 am • linkreport

That no one was willing to actually put their name on this petition is telling. It could be two people or the who'd neighborhood, but frankly without names it has no credibility.

What is more disheartening is how few people seem to have stepped forward to say we need to help these families. I recently had a friend face 5 months of homelessness & horrific bureaucracy from DC getting help. This friend lived in Ward 3. There is no available affordable housing for families that face setbacks. If people really understood how easy it is to fall they might have more compassion.

by DC Parent in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 7:56 am • linkreport

Surely the best place to site these homeless shelters would be adjacent to a church, synagogue, mosque, or some other religious institution. Just to remind the parishioners of the core teachings of their respective faiths.

by John Miller in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 28, 2016 1:28 am • linkreport

So the site's entire rationale for this endorsement (aside from Alpert's inability to admit when he's wrong) is that Alexander once threw GGW some Twitter shade? Talk about a petty, empty motivation. But hey, you're right - sending an angry tweet is so much worse than say, running a shadow campaign that stole an election and subverted the democratic process.

Pathetic.

by Nene in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 28, 2016 12:48 am • linkreport

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by Artie Lange in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 28, 2016 12:41 am • linkreport

This indeed is an awsome news for the US citizens..Population plays a major role in any country's growth..Seattle is the hub for various big firms in USA and thus growing population of the city will also effect in the economy and the progress of the city..

by Maria Simmons in National links: Our cities are growing on May 28, 2016 12:22 am • linkreport

The news about the maintenance plan being changed is both having benefits and adverse effects..only with the time can the decision be made whether throwing it out of window was useful or not...After such huge planning now changing it all over it not a wise decision, yet no comments can be made..

by Jobs Aviator in The feds tell Metro to rearrange its maintenance plans on May 28, 2016 12:18 am • linkreport

WMATA problems are the mayors fault? Why dont we blame Obama too while we're at it.

It is interesting that theres no mention of his attempt to kill the H Streetcar line or the fact that his administration took longer to build a 2 mile long streetcar than VA did to build like a 12 mile heavy rail line.

by Please Delete My Comment in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 10:46 pm • linkreport

There aren't any signs that population growth will slow down. In fact, the study projects the District's population will exceed the old high of 800,000 within the next ten years.

To the contrary: the projection predicts a huge *acceleration* of the population growth rate, from 1.0% per year over 2000-2015, to 1.7% per year over 2015-2025. (Total US growth rate is 0.7% per year.) I find that extraordinary, and as they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

The MWCOG makes its projection from "projects in the pipeline" and other development trends; but this all rests on the current economic climate. As anybody that follows the stock market will tell you, bull markets do not last forever; they change without warning.

Bottom line: the predicted DC growth rate is too high, and not supported by either evidence or experience.

by mick in DC's population is exploding on May 27, 2016 10:20 pm • linkreport

"This is an excellent location, and a much better deal for the Ward 3 Shelter. I will be doing everything to support it."

Which, of course, is easy to do when the proposed shelter is 1.5 to 2 miles away from your home. How YIYBY. (Yes, in your backyard!")

by Sally in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 9:51 pm • linkreport

Only 20% of all trips in Beijing are made by private vehicle. How much lower do they need to go before "congestion disappears"?

by Falls Church in Instead of buses that drive over traffic jams, let's just not have traffic jams on May 27, 2016 9:18 pm • linkreport

Mendo must really want to give the middle finger to his ex-, who owns in McLean Gardens. Here, dear, have a homeless shelter!

by GC in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 8:59 pm • linkreport

The proposed Idaho Ave. shelter just got 25% bigger in the past week. Apparently the other sites can't house as many people as they thought, so they're looking at adding more capacity at this one. It's now up to about 20% of the DC General population -- certainly above the ward's proportionate share -- and rising. By the time this goes to actual plans, it may be housing about 1/3 of the DC General population, which their attendant substance problems, mental illnesses, behavioral isues, which is quite a challenge to dump into the middle of McLean Gardens.

by Alf in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 8:57 pm • linkreport

Noooooooooo really! We were the last Black/Brown people to buy a house in this area, So of course we were asked by a lot of the other black people in the neighborhood "What Govt program did you use or are we renting to own" or by non Blacks "are you the Butler/Houseboy?" The beauty of living in the city is I can walk or drive to some the best restaurants, clubs and events in minutes.....and not touch a highway.

by Anthony Jones in DC's population is exploding on May 27, 2016 8:30 pm • linkreport

Vince Gray was a victim of an overzealous prosecutor who used a so-called nominal investigation to bamboozle the voters in this city and in turn swayed the results of the mayoral primary. It was a colossal miscarriage of justice and the prosecutor should be sanctioned for gross misconduct.

You cannot be allowed to use your influence as a prosecutor to interfere with a citywide election. This is an atrocious precedent to set.

Why, the elections results really worked out for DC...we have triple the amount of violent crimes now, metro is a disaster, homeless shelter malfeasance, folks walking out of community meetings in mass, etc., etc., etc.

by Mark Stein in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 7:14 pm • linkreport

"Maybe it would have risen more if not next to the homeless shelter? "

I mean, unless you're looking to sell right now you shouldn't be worried too much about your property values right now.

And if you are looking to sell I'd argue that fighting tooth and nail over maybe a couple thousand in equity is just being greedy and you could probably make it back some other way.

by Drumz in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 7:02 pm • linkreport

There was a terrific example of strategic voting in last year's election in Canada. At first it seemed like the New Democratic Party was leading against the Conservatives, but then it became clear that the Liberals had the edge. So voters shifted over from the NDP to the Liberals and elected Justin Trudeau.

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I don't believe that a Republican controlled Congress would ever support DC statehood. There could be a council full of saints and the Republicans wouldn't do it. The only halfway plausible proposal I've heard is that you'd have to pair DC statehood with the creation of a new conservative state. For example, eastern Washington state could be split off from the more liberal west.

by wanderer in For DC Council at large: Robert White on May 27, 2016 6:46 pm • linkreport

Counterfactuals are a weak argument against the very urgent need to provide short-term housing for families.

This is an excellent location, and a much better deal for the Ward 3 Shelter. I will be doing everything to support it.

by Neil Flanagan in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 6:45 pm • linkreport

I just checked my calendar and it isn't April 1st. What gives here.

by Over the River in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 5:39 pm • linkreport

I agree that those opposing DC statehood will find reasons. But why make it easy for them?

by SJE in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 5:38 pm • linkreport

rg:

Maybe it would have risen more if not next to the homeless shelter? Also everyone's house value hasn't risen the same amount. Don't know what is happening in the letter writers location.

by Bill Smith in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 5:15 pm • linkreport

I live two blocks from the current shelter at DC General and the value of my house has steadily risen over the past decade to a ridiculous level. Kind of puts a dent in their argument about home values.

That letter comes off as incredibly heartless and selfish.

by rg in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 5:06 pm • linkreport

@Jasper, sounds like the fate we face in November in the national election.

by Paul in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 5:01 pm • linkreport

Yet another option available might be Ninth St. But we have wait until we see what the construction of the storage building on 8th St does to the little alley just to the north of the Franklin Bridge. That would only work if that alley right of way was preserved and improved because the intersection of 8th, Franklin and Edgewood is chaotic at the beginning and end of the school day and hazardous for bikes and people.

by luckybiker in Brookland is getting a new bridge at Monroe Street on May 27, 2016 4:48 pm • linkreport

+1 million for the reference @Jasper.

by RBAP in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 4:38 pm • linkreport

Why oh why can't DC switch to one election (to coincide with the Presidential General Election) and use some form of ranked-choice voting to prevent these types of spoiler effects in a low-turnout closed primary (that becomes a defacto rubber-stamp in the general)?

Well, the way it's been explained to me is that DC doesn't switch to some form of ranked-choice voting because that would mean someone like Vincent Orange would not be elected to office. Since, as an example, Vincent Orange would be one of those whose vote would be needed to make the change, obviously it's unlikely Vincent Orange would vote against his interest.

by oboe in For DC Council at large: Robert White on May 27, 2016 4:28 pm • linkreport

A video for the Homeless Shelter at Cathedral Commons.

https://vimeo.com/13018930

by Sarah in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 4:28 pm • linkreport

Sigh. This city is severely marred by a lack of qualified candidates...

South Park has an excellent episode about the school mascot election between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/154582/debate-2004

by Jasper in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 4:23 pm • linkreport

Garber has no specific plans for any positions that he takes. Robert White knows the issues and was very direct with his responses at the debates Garber was a participant. He did not open a school as he claims and takes credit for. Word in the area is he quit his ANC commission and moved away due to a lack of money and could not afford his rent. He ran unopposed the 2nd time, so it was an easy win. He supported residents with the loudest voice, not the issue itself. He had a terrible habit of attending a meeting, tweeting then off to the next meeting. Substitute teaching in many schools a day here and there does not make him an expert when it comes to understanding what a school's special needs are nor does a ride around make him an expert on crime. He is the wrong choice.

by Alfred in For DC Council at large: Robert White on May 27, 2016 4:19 pm • linkreport

I hope the editorial board chimes in with further justification for the endorsement.

by Chester B. in For DC Council in Ward 7: Vince Gray on May 27, 2016 4:18 pm • linkreport

oops, first part of my response is to the assertion that something like the flyer above should and will be ignored by decisionmakers.

by drumz in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 4:10 pm • linkreport

Yes. It should be. Will it be? Maybe not. Maybe a decision maker finds the argument persuasive if there is no rebuttal. So then you kind of have to have a rebuttal (like this post).

It's the hyperventilating over the sheer fact that there is opposition at all that I don't understand

In addition to what I said above there is the frustration that this is a tired tactic that comes up again and again and it is frustrating that people still stick to bad arguments because they're still occasionally effective.

by drumz in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 3:58 pm • linkreport

Homeless people can come from all parts of the city, it makes sense to have them decentralized so homeless people in shelters can be relatively near their previous residence. Additionally concentrating all shelters in one places puts an enormous strain on that one location. Spreading them out makes it easier to have a larger portfolio of service providers involved.

by BTA in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 3:57 pm • linkreport

Right, so if there are no merits to their arguments, then it should be ignored by the decision makers. It's the hyperventilating over the sheer fact that there is opposition at all that I don't understand. Penning a letter at least puts the arguments down in writing and gives us something to react to and debunk in a public forum.

by Chris T in Upper Northwest hits peak NIMBY about a homeless shelter on May 27, 2016 3:44 pm • linkreport

Los Angeles Expo Line:
Only bad reviews are from Cato institute, WSJ, and USC Professors.
Based on what I saw on twitter, the opening of the newest segment of the Expo line was a huge success.

by Brett Young in National links: Our cities are growing on May 27, 2016 3:40 pm • linkreport

Re: Seattle

Over the next 20 years, Seattle will aggressively convert street right of way to non-vehicular use, discourage creation of parking capacity as the city grows, and minimize parking at public parks, limiting their accessibility. It may also toll streets to pay for such improvements.

I'm honestly impressed at how artful this is at making a positive development sound negative. The term "non vehicular uses" sounds like they're just going to throw couches into the street.

The rest is a good exercise in popular fallacies. Saying that everyone drives today so that must mean that everyone will drive tomorrow, worrying about where trucks will go, acting like people on a bike or transit somehow don't feel its important for them to get to where they're going, etc.

by drumz in National links: Our cities are growing on May 27, 2016 3:21 pm • linkreport

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