That shuttle idea is a joke. The two shuttle options are to Van Dorn or King Street, each road leading to those stations is choked with traffic during the rush. I used to live in an Apratment near the Mark Center and thier shuttle used to take 30-40 minitues to reach the Metro durring the rush hour.

by RJ on Sep 30, 2008 8:42 am  

And so if the Army wants it, the Army ought to figure out a solution and pay for it.

by Andrew on Sep 30, 2008 9:15 am  

So now Fort Belvoir is the traffic no-man's-land... how things change. Two years ago it was the preferred alternative:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/30/AR2006113001645.html

I'm sure that in the housing crisis, the developers of the old railyard on the sliver of land between US1 and the Blue Line would love to build office buildings for 6400 workers mixed in with their apartments - particularly if federal sway with WMATA buys an infill station between Braddock Road and Reagan National. Even assuming that the accountants will write off their employees' cars as "somebody else's problem", building subsidized parking for 6400 in Fort Belvoir has gotta add to the cost.

by Squalish on Sep 30, 2008 9:49 am  

What is the need for these jobs anyway?

Are not we spending WAY to much on the Pentagon-Pentagram?

by Douglas Willinger on Sep 30, 2008 10:32 am  

This is who is moveing there:

http://www.whs.mil/

by RJ on Sep 30, 2008 11:19 am  

Thanks for including added pollution as one of the costs. I think it would be greater greater if both the costs of added pollution and the reduced health-care costs not only from reduced pollution but the increased daily physical activity from n people using transit instead of driving were included in these project cost estimates. There is also plenty of evidence showing improved worker productivity and lower absenteeism with increased daily physical activity too. These variables can end up costing-or-saving employers a lot of money in the long run. If the DoD figured these costs into their plans there would be more incentive to locate somewhere near metro. Since the greater burden of these costs fall on the public it seems to me any public institution should be required to includes these costs in their plans.

by Bianchi on Sep 30, 2008 11:27 am  

Army has to do it all by Sept. 15, 2011. That's a law passed by Congress and signed by the president. It's not there timeline at all. In fact, I bet Belvoir planners would prefer to have extra time to consider better options. Funny though that Fairfax leaders were complaining about Route 1 traffic and a possible future burden on schools when the number going to Belvoir was 19,300. Now they are crying about 6,400 less? Can't have it both ways folks...

by Karl on Sep 30, 2008 2:53 pm  

Eh, the article has some mistakes. Use google maps and you will see Mark Center is 3 miles from the Van Dorn Metro via mostly Van Dorn Street. I can tell you its not a super heavily travelled road and shuttle buses should be able to move up and down it quite rapidly. Besides, this infusion of jobs will be just what the doctor ordered to get Alexandria to put in a Streetcar plan!

by Steve on Sep 30, 2008 4:11 pm  

Steve,

Van Dorn Street is an utter nightmare during the rush, to say so other wise is utterly false. Usually the back up starts at Seminary and creeps all the way to 495. I have been caught in it several times and it takes a good 25-30 min just to get from Seminary to Van Dorn Metro, and that is a normal rush. For what its worth the Army is thinking about going to King St instead, but Duke St. isn't much better.

by RJ on Sep 30, 2008 4:48 pm  

According to Alexandria's website, the project will "[feature] increased transit services and a new transit center." Source: http://alexandriava.gov/news_display.aspx?id=16566

Alexandria's Transportation Master Plan has a corridor from the Pentagon to Mark Center to Van Dorn on to Kingstowne. Source: http://alexandriava.gov/goto.aspx?u=http%3A//alexandriava.gov/uploadedfiles/tes/info/tes_tmp_complete.pdf&i=0&s=MainBody&h=Complete%20Document

by Chuck Coleman on Sep 30, 2008 6:34 pm  

Chuck,

Alexandria has been pushing the BRT along Van Dorn for sometime. The trick is finding money. The Army has made it clear that they are only going to pay the absolute minimum for infrastructure outside of the facility: This is basically all that the Army is willing to pay for:

From BRAC EIS

"The Army would also seek to secure shuttle bus service from the Mark Center to Metro stations. A transportation mitigation measure for all the alternatives is promotion of alternative transitmeasures such as ridesharing to offset a parking space cap on-site."

Hardly encouraging.

http://www.tetratech-ffx.com/belvoir_braceis/pdf/final133ea20080707.pdf

by RJ on Sep 30, 2008 9:40 pm  

Here is what specifically what the Army is going to:

Provides needed capacity improvements at the

existing interchange and provides direct HOV

access to/from the I-95/I-395 reversible HOV lanes.

King Street (State Route 7) intersection

improvements at Beauregard Street

Little River Turnpike intersection

improvements at Beauregard Street

Provides needed capacity improvements on the

frontage roadway to the buildings/parking structures

to accommodate the influx of BRAC 133 employees

at the site.

Reduces delay and queues at intersection resulting

from increase in left turning traffic approaching

Mark Center Drive, the site’s internal access road.

Construction of second left turn lane

from westbound North Beauregard

Street to Mark Center Drive

Construction of a second right turn lane

from Mark Center Drive to southbound

Seminary Road

Thats it, zero investment in transit.

by RJ on Sep 30, 2008 10:02 pm  

Today's Washington Post has more information. Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002613.html

"The owner of the Mark Center, the private development on Seminary Road where the office complex will be built, said it will invest as much as $10 million to improve intersections and expand lanes in the area. The company, Duke Realty, also plans to create a transportation hub on the site, with local bus service and shuttle service to the King Street Metro, which has a Virginia Railway Express depot."

Somebody in Alexandria's government must know the details of Duke Realty's plans. Any readers live in Alexandria?

"Virginia Transportation Secretary Pierce R. Homer said one long-term way to reduce congestion would be to bolster bus service along the I-395 corridor and south of Alexandria, where many of the employees live. Although the Springfield location was preferable from a transportation perspective, he said, the Mark Center will be workable."

It's interesting to see that VA's Transportation Secretary is paying attention. However, I doubt that this will translate into action.

by Chuck Coleman on Oct 1, 2008 7:53 pm  

At least the Mark Center is next to a bike trail.

by washcycle on Oct 3, 2008 4:21 pm  

Who did Duke choose as their architect?

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