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For years Vienna and Fairfax have been trying to revitalize their downtowns and make them more walkable and bicycle-friendly. But there's a big disconnect with conventional traffic engineering wisdom. Getting more automobiles through the road faster trumps everything. Traffic calming measures such as squaring off intersections get in the way of this engineering priority.
One issue is institutional. VDOT controls the roads in Fairfax County.The agency is not accountable to local communities. Local control over roads could lead to more flexible, pedestrian-friendly designs. Although pedestrian- and bicycle-friendly design of Routes 7 and 123 will be critical to making Tysons Corner work as a transit-oriented community, VDOT shows little sign of flexibility in its auto-focused approach. This is one reason Fairfax County is looking into taking control of its roads.
But that's not the only issue. Even county and local transportation divisions tend to narrowly focus on automobile "throughput." Engineers are trained to move cars efficiently. Pedestrian and bicycle-oriented features are not familiar concepts to many traffic engineers. Local elected officials hear complaints about traffic all the time, and usually it is from a "windshield perspective." So they, too, are often pressured to look for short-term, auto-oriented solutions rather than a more balanced approach.
In addition, often our elected leaders themselves have a windshield perspective. It can help to take them on walks and bicycle rides to broaden their perspective.
Until a better balance is struck between the needs of pedestrians, bicyclists, transit users and motorists, Vienna, Fairfax and other communities will not be able to attract a critical mass of people to revitalize their downtowns. One good step would be for VDOT and local transportation divisions to train all their engineering staff in the Complete Streets approach to street design.
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by Canaan Merchant on Oct 20, 2009 3:08 pm
by Michael on Oct 20, 2009 5:01 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refuge_island
They are not so much handy as refuge islands, but they do force cars to swerve less.
http://www.gratisrijbewijsonline.be/afbeeldingenforum/rotonde5.JPG
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4193/afbeelding063yw7.jpg
by Jasper on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 pm
As for tight curb radii, while they do shorten the distance pedestrians have to walk, there's one other and thus-far-unmentioned consideration that needs to be made: trucks. If a given intersection has a lot of truck traffic, and in particular a lot of turning truck traffic, you may need to keep those wider curb radii so that the trucks aren't constantly jumping the curb when they make their turns.
by Froggie on Oct 20, 2009 6:50 pm
Trucks and buses -- this is indeed what I hear from our transportation director whenever I bring up curb radii. Are squared off intersections just part of older streets that didn't have modern standards (thank goodness) when they were built? Are other localities/states trying to change their public facilities or other design standards to allow tighter radii in more urban, pedestrian-oriented areas?
by Douglas Stewart on Oct 20, 2009 7:48 pm
We should not endanger the lives of many pedestrians and bikers for the three trucks that pass through an intersection a week. They can pull a wheel over the side-walk.
In all seriousness, this is why a lot of roundabouts have a 'tilted side'. Very uncomfortable to drive over in a car, but the back wheels of a truck or bus barely notice.
http://www.bte.nl/beheer/uploads/pics/rotonde1.jpg
http://www.autorij-instructie.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rotonde.bmp
On top of that, I see more and more "truck free" zones in Europe. Tiny villages just refuse entry to trucks, except local destiny traffic.
http://www.mobielvlaanderen.be/figs/convenants/MOB9150F02.jpg
Driving in a truck in such places, you better have a local delivery address at hand when stopped by the police.
BTW: Check this pic out: http://www.mobielvlaanderen.be/figs/convenants/MOB9100F01.jpg (I am not sure whether the truck is stuck or not - the site talks about the unwanted increase in shortcut traffic due to navigation systems).
by Jasper on Oct 20, 2009 10:39 pm
Granted, there are also numerous situations where curb radii could be reduced at least somewhat. I'm aware of a couple locations which propose to have aprons along the radii (just like the center island of roundabouts), but I have yet to get clarification on how it might accommodate ADA. Bear in mind that pedestrian ramps take heed of slopes, proximity of pushbuttons, sight lines, etc. -- potentially complicated (but not inherently infeasible) by truck aprons.
...And reducing radii but providing truck aprons whilst also providing ADA might ultimately negate the intent, especially if the pushbuttons still end up behind the aprons (as they surely would; probably best not to replace the poles each time a truck makes a turn). Can't say for sure: I have yet to see anything on plansheet or in practice.
by Bossi on Oct 20, 2009 11:19 pm
In Boston, Kenmore square was recently remade. The crosswalks were left as asphalt and everything else was made light brick... so you get the contrast in color, but smoothness for the wheelchair. As another benefit, cars move slower because theyre on bumpy ground longer.
You cans ee what Im talking about here
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/jamesinclair/IMG_2899.jpg
by J on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 am
Image:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2008_03_20_-_Whiskey_Bottom_Rd_@_All_Saints_Rd_-_Roundabout_1.JPG
Google Maps / StreetView:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Laurel,+MD&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Laurel,+Prince+George%27s,+Maryland&ll=39.124545,-76.842761&spn=0.000735,0.002001&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=39.124545,-76.842761&panoid=r8KClkbVzWWOBC_-F3K7vA&cbp=11,356.11,,0,34.92
by Bossi on Oct 21, 2009 12:51 am
No wonder they want streetcars there. I'd also recommend many roundabouts to facilitate left turning traffic. [And yes, the streetcars should go straight over the roundabout, having the top right of way]
by Jasper on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 am
by Bossi on Oct 21, 2009 11:25 am
In my case because there is not transit from my home to the dealership where I was picking up my car. And neither is there acceptable transit from my dealership to my work.
I checked the WMATA tripplanner, that is so incredibly good, it definitively does not need competition from independent developers.
From home tells me to take the bus, then metro, then the bus again. Time: 1h30. Even with rush traffic by car it was about 25 mins.
Then from the dealership to work. The wonderful WMATA Trip planner takes me to the Pentagon first by bus, then by bus to Smithsonian, and then puts me on the ORANGE line back to work. Time: another hour. By car (despite traffic): 40 mins. I'd rather take the blue line straight from the Pentagon, but you were asking what?
And besides from that, there is no reason to not let traffic flow efficiently if you can. Problem on Columbia Pike is that the road isn't wide enough to accommodate bus bays :-( I am sure though that there is something else they can do. Build a street car for instance.
by Jasper on Oct 21, 2009 1:13 pm
I know zilch about Columbia Pike in Virginia, but at first thought: if it's not wide enough for bus bays, then is it wide enough for an LRT or BRT line? Or if the transitway is in shared lanes, wouldn't it be the same effect as if a bus was blocking the lane? I suspect I'm either misunderstanding your comment or just not adequately familiar with the roadway.
by Bossi on Oct 21, 2009 1:19 pm
In my extremely limited experience, I've followed these procedures:
(1) pull as close as possible to the curb, with the wheels parallel to the curb.
(2) turn the front wheels LEFT and swing the front of the vehicle AWAY from the curb - this gives you the room for the turn
(3) turn the wheel right to make the turn.
Are there problems with this procedure? It allows much tighter right turns than would otherwise be possible, and it eliminates right hook collisions with cyclists on the street. It probably takes longer than a straight right turn, especially if the driver needs to wait for a space in traffic to his left.
I really have no knowledge of the practicality or legality of this procedure - it's worked for me, but I've only driven large trucks with a police escort, supporting race operations for marathons, and the regular traffic laws didn't apply.
by David Ramos on Oct 21, 2009 7:26 pm