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by Sand Box John on Dec 1, 2009 9:11 am
by Alex B. on Dec 1, 2009 9:26 am
by TM on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 am
by JTS on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 am
Lastly, can anybody explain to me what is confusing about a roundabout?
BTW: It's interestig that the VDOT brochure points out that you have to yield to pedestrians and bikers, but does not give the obvious reason: They are on the roundabout too!
http://www.virginiadot.org/info/resources/Roundabouts.pdf
by Jasper on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 am
by thm on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 am
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by Matthias on Dec 1, 2009 12:55 pm
by w on Dec 1, 2009 2:13 pm
by Paul on Dec 1, 2009 3:38 pm
But you say "Car crashes killed 30..." How does a car crash kill someone? Shouldn't it be "drivers killed 30 in car crashes"?
by mch on Dec 1, 2009 7:27 pm
I object less to "crash kills teen" than "car crosses road and hits pedestrian." It's particularly a problem when the wording goes to great lengths to make it seem as though the vehicle were self-propelled to avoid giving the driver any agency. If press reports sometimes said it one way and sometimes another, that wouldn't be such a big deal, but it's particularly widespread.
by David Alpert on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 pm
hmmm ... I just linked to the story, and no, the teen didn't kill his friend ... the friend died as a result of an automobile accident. 'killing' requires intent ... unless the driver purposely drove the car off the road intending the kill the friend, this is an accident ...
FROM www.m-w.com
Main Entry: ac·ci·dent
Pronunciation: \ˈak-sə-dənt, -ˌdent; ˈaks-dənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin accident-, accidens nonessential quality, chance, from present participle of accidere to happen, from ad- + cadere to fall more at chance
Date: 14th century
1 a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance b : lack of intention or necessity : chance
2 a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance b : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious c : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought d used euphemistically to refer to an involuntary act or instance of urination or defecation
3 : a nonessential property or quality of an entity or circumstance
by Lance on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 pm
Plus, where does the definition of "kill" require intent? From m-w.com:
At the end, it specifically says, "KILL merely states the fact of death caused by an agency in any manner ." It distinguishes KILL from words that DO imply intent or deliberativeness, such as SLAY or MURDER.by David Alpert on Dec 1, 2009 11:33 pm
If you understand what a yield sign means, then you understand roundabouts. What's so confusing about yielding?
by Lee Watkins on Dec 2, 2009 7:22 am
by Josh S on Dec 2, 2009 9:13 am
see number 2, especially 2b and 2c
2 a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance b : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious c : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought
by Lance on Dec 2, 2009 10:43 am
David, I'll give you that one since the dictionary says so. But common sense tells me that we don't indiscriminately throw 'kill' around in this manner. I mean, if a doctor pulls the plug on an individual, do we say 'the doctor killed grandma'? If a woman aborts her child, do we say she killed the baby? While 'technically' we might be able to use the word 'kill' indiscriminately, I don't think most people do so.
by Lance on Dec 2, 2009 10:56 am
by Erik W on Dec 7, 2009 12:01 pm