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Ask GGW: where should an auto-minimizing family live?
Reader Mark and his family are moving to the Greater Washington area. They are, in many ways, a typical area family: the parents are in their 30s, own dogs, want good schools and a safe area for their kids, and can spend about $500-800,000 for a house.
Like many families moving to the area, they'd really like a walkable neighborhood and public transit access. But to Mark and his family, this is a definite priority. Where should they live?
They do have one car and need to be able to park it, but would rather not be dependent on it to get everywhere (and want to stick with only one car, not two). They want a single-family home or a semi-detached or end unit townhouse (i.e. windows on at least three sides) with three bedrooms. They like bungalow and ranch styles and perfer a liberal-leaning community.
Mark has already heard suggestions from others of Kensington, Takoma Park, Clarendon, and (but this doesn't have transit access) Eastport, Annapolis. How would you advise Mark and the many other families like his?
For those of us who support walkable living, having many options to serve the Marks of the world is very important. I chose to live in a row house in a dense neighborhood, but many people don't want to live in rowhouses and, at the moment, the schools in DC are not good enough for most families. Clearly, a top priority is improving DC's schools so Mark could pick Tenleytown, Friendship Heights, Brightwood, Shepherd Park, or one of the many other nice, lower density, but transit-accessible neighborhoods in the District.
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by Roadrunner on Jul 29, 2008 7:48 am • link • report
Columbia Pike has lot of quality development in store and is a popular place for many newly-wed couples moving into their first home. Alexandria has a lot of nice areas, but overall, not as good as Arlington IMO, especially when you factor in transit.
If it's not liberal enough, you can't go wrong with Bethesda/Chevy Chase or Silver Spring either, but I'm not as familiar with the individual neighborhoods names there, but there's a lot to offer in those areas too.
by Vik on Jul 29, 2008 8:48 am • link • report
by Josh on Jul 29, 2008 9:06 am • link • report
by Elizabeth on Jul 29, 2008 9:09 am • link • report
by Jayme on Jul 29, 2008 9:16 am • link • report
Mark and his family should think about where there activity centers will be first. Where does he/she work? Are the kids going to private school or public? Do they have family they will be visiting often. Where do they shop, etc.
#2 - Live in a place where you have choices (travel and land use):
Arlington is great, but other places are better, like Georgetown, Old Town, Capitol Hill, Dupont.. (I live along the Orangeline in lovely Arlington Forest), you can drive, walk, bike, and take the bus easily, and it feels safe at all times. And there are many places to go, and things to do - community centers, parks, bike trails, etc. Also, great schools.
#3 - Right size you home:
Right size your home for the number of people you have living with you, and don't over-buy a large over-sized house... (which will be less valuable in the future and will cost more in taxes, maintenance, heating and cooling). Do you absolutely need a three car garage and a big yard?
by J Price on Jul 29, 2008 9:24 am • link • report
Also, try around the Forest Glen Metro. It has lots of older detached houses but no town environment. But, you can walk to the Metro, obviously.
There's a bunch of newer townhouses just north of the Silver Spring Metro and a bunch of older single family houses bordering downtown Silver Spring. Same with Rockville, White Flint, and Wheaton on the Red Line.
Takoma Park is an obvious choice, too.
by Cavan on Jul 29, 2008 9:27 am • link • report
If not, then the Ballson/Del Ray options are fine, as well as some Takoma, MD, and Kensington/Glenmont/Garrett Park options where there is the MARC/Red Line and relatively easy walks to Conn. Ave etc.
by Andrew on Jul 29, 2008 9:29 am • link • report
by tom veil on Jul 29, 2008 9:36 am • link • report
My sister, brother and nephew live in PG County (Hyattsville) and they are discouraging us from living in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase area because she said it's hard to get to airports (I fly weekly for business). My sister also hates VA so she strongly discouraged the Arlngton area. After all the suggestions here for VA we will definitely take a look at it.
My wife's family live in Chevy Chase and Silver Spring. Her parents want us to move to Columbia and Howard County.
How about Greenbelt? I've heard it's a walkable community but it's been a long time since I've been there.
Thanks to David for posting my question.
by "The" Mark on Jul 29, 2008 9:42 am • link • report
from where i live, it's a ten minute (max) drive to national (or you can metro it), there are frequent buses down lee hwy to rosslyn (3A/B/E) and mcpherson square (3Y, rush hour only), convenient food shopping (safeway, harris teeter), dry cleaning (all up and down lee), and wine/cheese/sandwich shops.
it's convenient to the w&od bike trail, ballston/clarendon, movie theaters, and restaurants. and i hear the school system's pretty good, too.
as a transplant from menopause manor (nebraska & connecticut intersection area of upper NW dc), i love it - and find i don't miss any of the amenities from my former neighborhood. (it doesn't quite have the appeal that my former former silver spring neighborhood did (prior to its bethesdification, anyway), but the days of $625/month for a spacious two bedroom apartment are long gone anyway...)
by jenny on Jul 29, 2008 9:59 am • link • report
The only place that would be genuinely close to transit and an airport would be Alexandria or Arlington, as long as DCA has the flights you need.
by Keith Wright on Jul 29, 2008 10:01 am • link • report
by Adam on Jul 29, 2008 10:03 am • link • report
Don't get me wrong: Metro is perhaps the region's biggest success story of the past three decades and I ride it daily. But it really pays to be on the same line as your work destination. After a while, a 12-minute walk to the Metro, plus 4 minutes to travel the escalators, then going through the faregates, and waiting for the train, and riding the train, and pushing yourself through the crowds on the (undersized) platforms at the transfer stations, and waiting for the next train, and riding, then finally walking 5 minutes to work, adds up and gets old.
Schools in DC are a concern, of course, but there are a handful of well-regarded ones: Peabody on Capitol Hill, the Oyster School, and Langdon which is sort of near Brookland, and probably a bunch more.
I live in Brookland--it's got the liberal attitude, it's got the Metro, it's got detached houses in the right price range, it's got an organic grocery store, a CVS, and a hardware store in an otherwise struggling retail district. It's had a baby boom in the past couple of years--there are lots of babies and toddlers around, and playgroups and so forth. Some parents are thrilled with Langdon school, which is nearby, and there are charters moving in (but not always welcomed, because of traffic fears). The other public schools are going to get juggled around--closings, renovations, merging. If you believe, as I do, that good schools are good primarily because they have good students, then I can imagine that there could be a critical mass of students and parents when my son is ready for school.
by thm on Jul 29, 2008 10:04 am • link • report
Columbia isn't that bad for a farther flung suburb, but it doesn't have the walkability that close-in burbs do. It's also convenient, relatively, to B'more and DC and BWI. Hyattsville isn't bad either. It has some potential, it's better than most of PG for sure. It's got a metro and MARC stop and it's more affordable than many places. Bethesda/Chevy Chase can be tough, Reagan isn't too hard to get to. With BWI and Dulles, it's somewhat straightforward, but there's a lot of traffic.
But the VA sentiment is popular, Arlington(North mainly, but parts of South also) is more progressive and has a lot of great housing and generally a good place to live for all types.
by Vik on Jul 29, 2008 10:04 am • link • report
I fly regularly as a consultant so I need quick access to airports. Monday mornings usually aren't the problem - there is not much traffic at 4:30 in the morning when I hit the road. Thursdays when I come home is usually where I run into traffic. That was the case when we lived in Chicago. Not as bad in Nashville. My wife is looking for a job in the area (telecommunication sales) and hopefully she will be able to work from the house. We'd like to send our son to public schools (he's 6 months so we have some time).
Where do we shop? The local grocery store and Target. That makes up a vast majority of our shopping.
I completely agree about right-sizing our home. We got taken up with how much home we could get in Nashville after moving from Chicago. We don't need as much house as we have. We figure 2000 - 2500 sqft should be sufficient.
by "The" Mark on Jul 29, 2008 10:11 am • link • report
I think Arlington sounds best for you. National Airport is just around the corner, and if you don't mind the 5A bus, Dulles isn't too bad.
I spend a lot of time in Greenbelt. I love old Greenbelt. This part of town is walkable and friendly, but I wouldn't want to live there because it's too isolated (I don't drive). It is surrounded by typical suburban sprawl and the Metro is really too far to walk to. It would be a pretty easy bike ride, but you need to be comfortable biking with suburban drivers (even though the roads are pretty tame).
by Matt' on Jul 29, 2008 10:12 am • link • report
by mdsail on Jul 29, 2008 10:24 am • link • report
by BJC on Jul 29, 2008 10:29 am • link • report
You'd be close to the Orange, Blue and Red lines (Silver Spring, Hyattsville and Bethesda are all close to the red line). National Airport is a 10 minute taxi ride or 20 minute metro ride away. The 5A to Dulles stops not too far away. BWI is a straight shot up the BW Parkway. You have Union Station nearby which brings Amtrak into the picture. Street Parking is easy. It's liberal leaning (Tommy Wells is our District Councilmember, check out his positions). The Eastern Market area was ranked one of the 10 best neighborhoods in the country. Houses are within your range (we paid 450k for ours) - though to get an end house you may have to stretch.
As for Greenbelt. I used to live there. I think old town Greenbelt is a great place. Very walkable, great people. But it's a haul to the metro. And the town is somewhat isolated. Oh, I just see Matt said the same thing...great minds.
by VC on Jul 29, 2008 10:34 am • link • report
by NikolasM on Jul 29, 2008 10:36 am • link • report
by khb on Jul 29, 2008 10:44 am • link • report
I also agree with the suggestions for Takoma Park in terms of lifestyle, but it is not easily airport-accessible at all.
by a.k. on Jul 29, 2008 11:12 am • link • report
Now the disclaimer - We're in virtually the same boat as you - small child, one car, in the same price range for housing - and we're decamping to N. Arlington (looking at all of the areas previously mentioned) within the year. We'd like a little more space for our kid(s), and are not willing to gamble that the DC schools will make a dramatic shift for the better in the next 10 years. Plus, by moving to Arlington I get a 3% raise (local taxes). The unreasoning "hatred" of local jurisdictions by those who live in others in the area is amusing, but don't let your sister's irrationality interfere with finding the best place for YOUR familty to live.
by dcd on Jul 29, 2008 11:31 am • link • report
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by Up with UP! on Jul 29, 2008 12:49 pm • link • report
I imagine University Park wouldn't bad either. I have been there and it's in a college town area which is great. If the purple line comes, that'll be another positive.
by Vik on Jul 29, 2008 1:11 pm • link • report
If you only have one car, you've got the second-largest transportation hub in the State of Maryland, with dozens of bus routes, the Red Line, and the MARC Brunswick line, not to mention the Purple Line (check back on that in a couple decades, though.) Silver Spring's CBD is an easy walk (it's pretty compact, though it could be more pedestrian-friendly, but the surrounding neighborhoods are more ideal.)
Schools? You're in the Downcounty Consortium, which means your kids have their pick of five different high schools (including top-rated Blair High School) each with their own signature programs. And talk about housing diversity! We've got everything from century-old Victorians to brand-new Victorians that look old, not to mention a healthy stock of townhouses if you're interested.
Yes, Silver Spring is it. I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it and blog about the place each and every day.
by dan reed on Jul 29, 2008 1:27 pm • link • report
by Mary on Jul 29, 2008 1:58 pm • link • report
I think this discussion has really re-inforced something that my wife and I were thinking about anyway -- renting for a few months before buying. It's definitely an option for us and I think it's what we're going to end up doing.
That way my wife can (hopefully) get a job and we can base where we move on where she works to mimimize her commute. Our little boy is only 6 months so we don't have to worry about getting him into a school only to move a few months later.
It will also give us time to get a feel for Greater Washington and figure out what is best for our family. My sister hates VA but my brother likes it. I have to admit that increasing my son's chances of getting into UVA by living in the state is appealing, even though it's 17 years away. I wasn't expecting a such a strong showing for the Arlington/Alexandria area, but now I think we will pay that area more attention.
Thanks again.
by "The" Mark on Jul 29, 2008 1:59 pm • link • report
(Of course, you might decide to go with a nanny or nanny share, in which case you don't need to think this far ahead.)
by ZetteZelle on Jul 29, 2008 2:27 pm • link • report
by NikolasM on Jul 29, 2008 3:06 pm • link • report
I used to live in Aurora Highlands (around 23rd Street and up to Arlington Ridge Road in South Arlington). If you can get over the fact that people will look at you funny for saying that you live between Pentagon City and the water treatment plant, it really can't be beat. The houses are mostly bungalows, but there's a greater diversity of architecture (and people) than you'll find anywhere in North Arlington. A nice mix of chain link fences, dumpy duplexes, big porches, and brick mansions. Lots of sidewalks, a handful of parks, two Metro stations less than a mile away, the largest mall inside the Beltway, a movie theater at Potomac Yard, and you can literally walk to the airport. 23rd Street has a nice healthy strip of restaurants, the bike trail runs nearby, and if you want to go downtown, you're across the bridge in ten minutes. Extra points for the Clark Street Playhouse, the Arena Stage (for now), Jaleo, and the new riverfont park north of Crystal City.
by the shootist on Jul 29, 2008 8:48 pm • link • report
Need I say more?
by InArlington on Jul 30, 2008 2:17 am • link • report
We chose downtown SIlver Spring. We also decided to start my renting (Falkland Chase townhouse with windows on 3 sides) because we didn't want to make a purchase without really knowing the area and the local housing market.
For us it was a great choice because one of us works in Bethesda and the other near Union Station (Places where we'd want to live that were in easy walking distance to a Metro station were out of our price range). Being at a metro station and at a major bus hub has been great. Silver Spring isn't as walkable as the last place we lived, but we easily get by with one car and even even only use that for a few large shopping trips and leisure.
As for airports, do keep in mind that most of the mass transit isn't going at 4:30AM so you'd probably need to drive or take a lot of taxis no matter where you live. Silver Spring is relatively close to BWI and a reasonable mass transit trip to Nation. Driving is pretty much required for Dulles.
by dd on Jul 30, 2008 9:57 am • link • report
#1 Cleveland Park
#2 Tenleytown
Both these neighborhoods are ideal locations for raising a family and have just the right balance of automobile and public transportation usage. When you want to use a car, there's plenty of room to park it (outside a house or at the grocery store), but they're also very walkable areas with easy access to public transportation. (Tenleytown has 2 Metro stops within walking distance.)
Both are vibrant communities with innovative restaurants and shops. On top of it all, they're 2 of the most beautiful neighborhoods in the city with gorgeous tree-lined streets.
My first pick is Cleveland Park, which is right in the shadow of the National Cathedral and minutes from Georgetown. But Tenleytown is a close second with its exceptional Metro access and vicinity to Montgomery County, Maryland.
P.S. One more reason these neighborhoods top all the others for families -- the schools. While all the D.C. public schools need work, Wilson is better than the rest. And should private schools be an option, NCS, St. Alban's, Sidwell, Georgetown Day, and more are all right in the backyard.
by DC Girl on Jul 30, 2008 10:20 am • link • report
For example, citing "smart growth" and increasing density near Metro, the city is negotiating to sell off the soccer field at an already overcrowded elementary school to a developer who will place an apartment building with over 120 apartments on the field, next to the elementary school, and partially over the library. This will leave the children with inadequate outdoor space and the library will underground and unable to expand to meet future needs.
The elimination of parking minimums will mean that you will want to find a house with off-street parking or give up a large part of your yard for a space. When you have friends visiting, they will find it difficult to park anywhere near your house, as the streets will be filled with the cars owned by the residents of new apartment buildings.
by JR on Jul 30, 2008 11:15 am • link • report
Funny, I live on Capitol Hill, where there are no "parking minimums" and have never experienced these problems.
Thanks for your concern trollery, though.
by ibc on Jul 31, 2008 12:03 am • link • report
When we were shopping for a house (2006), the value here was amazing. Where ofter neighborhoods were $700K, we could get twice the lot and house here for $500K. DelRey and Arlington were MUCH more expensive than what folks here are saying. The NW neighborhoods were astronomically out of our range (a tiny three bedroom endunit rowhouse in CH without offstreet parking was twice what we paid here.) Now, there has been a bit of a downturn in the last few month, but it'd follow that prices out here are still as comparatively good.
If you want a bungalow, metro access, kid friendly, with a car fairly optional, you can get a hell of a lot for your money in Brookland. This is a fun group of neighbors, with a great co-op pool and very active parents group. We have a healty pool of nanny shares and parents who sit kids and home cares. Kids of all ages (all the way through high school) are still here, meaning that the parents make the schools work for them and don't just flee to the burbs when the kids turn 5. We have three new charters opening in the next two years and Langdon, Burroughs, and Brookland/Bunker Hill elementaries all have good reputations among the public schools.
by Sophiagrrl on Jul 31, 2008 4:19 am • link • report
by spookiness on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 am • link • report
Del Ray sounds like a very good fit for you, and if you can afford Old Town, I imagine it would be wonderful to live in (it's a pleasure to walk through). There are also a number of single family homes and townhouses along the orange line between Courthouse and Ballston. Going with either of these, you'll probably bet a 10-15 minute walk range from the metro though, since anything closer is going to be higher density.
by Paul on Jul 31, 2008 10:37 pm • link • report
As a frequent Greater Greater reader, I feel obligated to respond to this ridiculous generalization. Do you really believe that the average family in our region can afford a $500-800k home? Are you aware that the median family income for DC is just over $60k, making a $300k home at the very top end of what most local families in their 30s can afford?
I realize that it's easy to view the world through the lens that we and our friends enjoy, but it doesn't benefit our communities when we forget that they include families from a variety of economic backgrounds and means. I hope you'll strive to be a little less presumptuous about the "typical area family" in the future.
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