Bicycling
Vincent Orange kicks off new year by parking in cycle track
Nicole "@nikki_d" took a ride this morning on the 15th Street cycle track, but found 3 cars parked in the lane. One is the white Cadillac belonging to at-large councilmember Vincent Orange.
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by Lance on Jan 1, 2012 1:35 pm
by Jeff on Jan 1, 2012 1:44 pm
by oboe on Jan 1, 2012 2:00 pm
by Mister Fed Up on Jan 1, 2012 2:11 pm
Regardless, wrong is wrong, but I hope this doesn't become a blog where every traffic violation is posted simply to villify offenders. I come here hoping to see intelligent discussions and would hate to see this become a paparazzi-style forum for offenses that clash with the ideals of the blog.
by selxic on Jan 1, 2012 2:14 pm
by OctaviusIII on Jan 1, 2012 2:17 pm
2. How can Vincent Orange afford a Cadillac (base price for 2010 DTS is around $50k) on a salary of $125K a year? The fact that he can afford a luxury car (presumably from his "other job"), and the fact that he and the other members (Harry Thomas) feel the need to buy such luxury items and live the high life even as they serve as public servants, indicates something deeply wrong with these political dynasties.
by D on Jan 1, 2012 2:24 pm
by Lance on Jan 1, 2012 2:25 pm
by Adam L on Jan 1, 2012 2:40 pm
by Lance on Jan 1, 2012 2:49 pm
by Keith Ivey on Jan 1, 2012 2:51 pm
I think its important to post pictures like this and discuss them because there are plenty of CM apologists who seem to think the CMs can do no wrong.
by Falls Church on Jan 1, 2012 3:21 pm
by selxic on Jan 1, 2012 3:54 pm
What makes this particularly infuriating is that parking in a cycle track is much more dangerous than simply parking in a bike lane: parking in a two-way, protected cycle track forces northbound cyclists, some of whom aren't all that comfortable riding in mixed traffic, to ride in opposing traffic in the southbound general traffic lanes. (And it always seems to be big cars or trucks in those tracks, so cyclists can't see around them!)
I don't know how anyone can park in a cycle track without thinking "hey, I'm not only being rude and inconsiderate-- like standing on the left on an escalator-- I'm also potentially endangering someone else's life... which is OK since I'm going to church and/or I'm a local bigwig."
by Steven Harrell on Jan 1, 2012 4:51 pm
I don't have any opinions on parking for church (IF it had been a car lane), nor do I think this blog should be used to vilify anyone, but when a council member can't even be bothered with the easy-to-follow rules, I don't particular trust them with the more challenging demands of the position.
(oh - and I saw another cyclist stop and take a pic, too...many of us were perturbed)
by Daniel on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 pm
I don't think that holding ignorant elected officials accountable is in any way a sort of clash with the ideals of the blog. In fact, it is part and parcel of the ideals of this blog.
For all you apologists for malice and incompetence, shame on you.
by Tyro on Jan 1, 2012 6:13 pm
I find an apology without an explanation wanting. Did he not know it was a cycle track? Did he not know one could not park there EVER? Maybe he was on critical time-sensitive city business and could not afford to waste time parking legally (and apparently as other have said 4 feet over)?
If he is sorry about blocking the lane then why did he do it in the first place? Maybe he's just sorry he caught called out for it.
by JeffB on Jan 1, 2012 7:44 pm
by Joe Flood on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 pm
by Steve on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 pm
However, I cannot understand why a car is parked in the cycle lanes?
by tour guide on Jan 1, 2012 9:28 pm
by MrTinDC on Jan 1, 2012 11:06 pm
by TGEOA on Jan 1, 2012 11:49 pm
by mikeytheshow on Jan 2, 2012 7:41 am
by Ian Brett Cooper on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 am
It just looks like a classic demonstration of conspicuous consumption. To me though it screams fiscal irresponsibility. In my opinion he'd be better off putting that $700 a month into a 401k rather than a car that is going to only last 6 or 7 years (on average). I don't think it makes him a bad person if that's how he wants to spend his money. However, I think that speaks to the mindset of the individual and makes me less likely to want to elect him manage the city budget and determine how my tax dollars are spent. It's a really minor quibble though. There are issues I care much more about.
by Doug on Jan 2, 2012 10:45 am
Not surprisingly though, the commentariat is able to refer to Orange as an "idiot" in a way I am sure would not apply to other (more favored) pols.
I'll test that theory soon.
by HogWash on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 am
:)
by oboe on Jan 2, 2012 11:30 am
by selxic on Jan 2, 2012 11:48 am
That said, I'm still not understand your point about his "inability" to pay for a cts. It's a cts..not a Benz CL65 AMG coupe.
by HogWash on Jan 2, 2012 12:16 pm
I've got an old irony-meter around here somewhere you can borrow. I think your's is on the fritz. :)
by oboe on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 pm
by oboe on Jan 2, 2012 12:25 pm
by Keep Houston Houston on Jan 2, 2012 4:02 pm
Don't hate the player-hater, hate the game.
by oboe on Jan 2, 2012 4:11 pm
by Tyro on Jan 2, 2012 8:07 pm
That he even thought it was appropriate to park in a bike lane is very illustrative of what he thinks is OK and not OK to do with his car in DC, but there's no reason to continue on about it. If you are not satisfied, work to elect someone else in his stead next time around. But for now, he apologized for a minor parking offense. (Although, it was a dick move, minor parking offense or not)
by nick on Jan 2, 2012 9:11 pm
by S.E. Waters on Jan 2, 2012 9:21 pm
Do we have all the facts now? Or there any other extraneous possibilities that you'd care to speculate would excuse the illegal behavior clearly shown in the this photograph? Maybe Orange was pulling over to let a funeral pass by, and then get out of his Escalade to help a little old lady cross the street? Maybe the Rapture took Councilman Orange, and his creamy Escalade just gently coasted to rest in the cycletrack through no fault of poor Vincent? Until we can rule out these possibilities, every other possibility Lance can think of, plus other possibilities Lance *can't* think of, but which Lance posits might exist, then it's totally unfair for the rest of us to criticize an elected official for blatantly breaking the law and endangering lives.
by Paula Product on Jan 2, 2012 10:49 pm
by Jay on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 am
Would he have to shell out a couple bucks? Sure, but them's the breaks.
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 am
My guess is that VO did this because--far from earning censure--he knew it would win him points from a subset of DC's voters who would practically hail him as a hero. As @Jay so eloquently put it, like many DC drivers, VO has a massive sense of entitlement, and feels like he can do whatever the Hell he wants, damn how it inconveniences or endangers anyone else. Bonus points if it inconveniences the right demographic group (e.g. "Dog parks for WHO??").
As I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if this photo makes its way into VO's campaign literature.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 am
One of the corrosive aspects of DC driving culture I've noticed is how people opt for quasi-legal or illegal options with no regard for others. Instead of pulling off to the side when people are picking up or dropping off passengers, they just stop in the middle of the street with no regard for the fact that no one else can get by.In other cities, there's an attitude towards things like double-parking and illegal parking of, "I'm doing what I need to do-- I'll try to make sure other people can get by," whereas here in DC, there is a certain amount of pride, it seems, in not having any regard for others while on the roads. This parking job by Vincent Orange is another example. He didn't just illegally park by the cycle track-- he blocked it entirely with his car.
by JustMe on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 am
"As the city's populace is rapidly becoming more educated and wealthy, politicians/opportunists like Vincent Orange, Kwame Brown, Vince Grey and Harry Thomas will have an increasingly difficult time getting elected."
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And when the officials elected by those "better" and "smarter" class of voters you so greatly long for do the same damn things as those elected by those "stupid dumb negroes" you so despise, what will you have to say then?
by ceefer66 on Jan 3, 2012 11:01 am
Not sure how this follows. The distinction is an economic one, not a racial one. The middle-class black voters who are moving into EOTR and elsewhere in the city (and the long-term residents who are prospering and staying) have as little tolerance for BS ghetto drama as anyone else. Arguably less.
It's a function of wealth and education. Middle-class, educated voters are less likely to vote for politicians whose sole responsibility is to deliver patronage and (metaphorically speaking) give a middle-finger to The Man. They just want their city to work.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 am
This isn't unique to DC. When I lived in Chicago many years ago, my neighbors organized a trash pick-up day on our block. As we went around picking up garbage, we got jeered at by a non-participating neighbor, "Yeah! That's right, pick up my shit!!"
When you're downtrodden, you strike back in the only way you can, whether it's littering, jaywalking slowly through traffic, or voting for dysfunctional politicians.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 am
Not that we lack dog whistles but good grief man! Come on! What "subset" of DC voters would "praise" VO as a hero for parking illegally? Although I'm sure many heard the whistle, it's a ridiculous suggesting oboe. It really really is.
The middle-class black voters who are moving into EOTR and elsewhere in the city (and the long-term residents who are prospering and staying) have as little tolerance for BS ghetto drama as anyone else. Arguably less.
Since when did parking illegaly become "ghetto?" As someone who represents the exact EOTR demographic you just mentioned, there are lots of things me and my fellow neighbors aren't willing to tolerate. But please don't attempt to speak for us and suggest that "parking illegaly" outside our Ward is not one of those. Moreover, you've made this sly "not racial but economic" argument before and I believe you make way too many assumptions.
There are things all middle class families have in common. That does not mean we are all looking to turn our n'hoods into dupont circle any more than all residents of Spring Valley are. People of all economic levels like what they like. I personally dislike the idea of someone telling me what I "should" like because I'm middle class.
Middle-class, educated voters are less likely to vote for politicians whose sole responsibility is to deliver patronage and (metaphorically speaking) give a middle-finger to The Man.
So I assume that "lower" class voters were responsible for electing Orange, Brown, Thomas, and Gray? That is the logical assumption. Maybe you should whistle a bit louder.
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 pm
Long story short, the closest legal parking spot was about 8 feet to the left. If that's not a thumb in the eye to cyclists, then I don't know what is.
(And as has been pointed out already, parking in the bike lane at this location forces northbound cyclists into oncoming traffic, making this probably the single most dangerous way to park illegally in a bike lane.)
by KG on Jan 3, 2012 1:37 pm
by David C on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 pm
Amen to that brother!
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 1:44 pm
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 1:53 pm
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 pm
Sorry, I'm pretty busy today otherwise I'd indulge your hankering for some righteous outrage. But just quickly:
What "subset" of DC voters would "praise" VO as a hero for parking illegally?
We've had at least two election cycles here in DC where campaigners have explicitly targeted Wards 7 & 8 with appeals to resentment towards bike lanes and dog parks. And you're saying you can't even conceive of a voter who would praise VO (or at least give him props) for "tweaking" bike-lane users? All I can say is that you've got an idealistic view of human nature.
Since when did parking illegaly become "ghetto?" As someone who represents the exact EOTR demographic you just mentioned, there are lots of things me and my fellow neighbors aren't willing to tolerate. But please don't attempt to speak for us and suggest that "parking illegaly" outside our Ward is not one of those.
Sorry, I don't follow. Too many negatives. I would take exception to your point that you "represent" the middle-class EOTR voters. Unless you hold an elected position, you don't. You may belong to that group, but everyone thinks they're normative, and they're often wrong.
Moreover, you've made this sly "not racial but economic" argument before and I believe you make way too many assumptions.
I object to your sly use of the word "sly". On a serious note, I'm not sure why you would think it's "sly". It is what it is.
So I assume that "lower" class voters were responsible for electing Orange, Brown, Thomas, and Gray? That is the logical assumption. Maybe you should whistle a bit louder.
(Who are you quoting with your "lower" above, you sly dog, you?)
That aside, why call it a "logical assumption"? All you need to do is look at voting patterns and how they map to median household income.
It's ironic, I think it was only last week that I said we often talk about the intersection of race and economics on GGW, and you replied that we did not. Maybe you were right.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 pm
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 2:20 pm
1. That pink air freshener looks really silly with what is an otherwise pretty sharp-looking ride.
2. The cycletrack pavement is cracked. Cracked concrete, combined with the wavey asphalt on almost all of the south-bound lane, are wayyy more of a pain in my bike-riding butt than people parked in the lane.
3. VO's not pulled all the way over to the curb. Look, there are cars parked in the cycletrack all the time -- especially USSS cars around the White House. It's annoying, but the track's wide enough that you can usually zip around them. If you're reading this blog and you're a DC "BigWig" or law enforcement person, we know you're going to park there sometimes so at least please just pull all the way over.
Things wrong with these comments:
1. Myopic Twits: It's your business if someone (especially an elected official) parks illegally. It's NONE of your business what kind of car someone drives.
2. Courtland Milloys: Demanding that councilmembers adhere to a higher standard isn't racist.
3. Long-time-locals: Illegal fake church-parking rules are still illegal fake parking rules.
4. @ Oboe: "...for WHOM."
by Ronald on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 pm
I responded to your assertion that parking in a bike lane would win praises from a subset of DC voters. Whether "a" person would was never on the table. There's always "a person" willing to do any and everything..like murder. Keep in mind, your feelings about bike lanes is no different than our feeling about school reform.
Sorry, I don't follow. Too many negatives. I would take exception to your point that you "represent" the middle-class EOTR voters. Unless you hold an elected position, you don't.
This is an odd one for sure. You wax on talking about what EOTR middle class voters want and I respond by letting you know that I am represent middle class EOTR voters. Then your response is, well, *technically* you don't represent EOTR middle class voters. Oh ok. Not that the DavidC (:0)distinction makes your point any better. But ok.
Oboe 1 -Middle-class, educated voters are less likely to vote for politicians whose sole responsibility is to deliver patronage and (metaphorically speaking) give a middle-finger to The Man.
That aside, why call it a "logical assumption"? All you need to do is look at voting patterns and how they map to median household income.
Really? According to DCBOEE, Adrian Fenty won in all 8 wards. Prior to that, Williams also won EOTR even AFTER he had to do the write-in campaign. Vincent Orange won his recent at-large seat in Wards 4, 5, 7 and 8 where in the former two, the median incomes were about 166k/78k respectively.
Now for obvious reasons, you will ignore that "middle class" and "educated" voters in Wards 4, 5, 7 and 8 voted along the same lines as the lower class uneducated voters. But that's irrelevant, I'm sure.
And that is ironic because when you said that we talk about how race and class intersects here, I questioned it because I don't think it was true and don't understand why you thought different.
To be honest, I think race and class may intersect in what you're describing as what "middle class DC voters" want.
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 3:38 pm
You just lost the election, college boy.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 3:40 pm
I don't disagree and this phenom is the same all over the country..if not the world. I guess I don't get the "anti-elitist" policy you're talking about. Orange parking illegaly isn't anti-elitist.
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 3:41 pm
Just to respond to your point that you "represent" middle-class EOTR river folks. The reason I took issue with that is that you don't necessarily represent them.
If you say, "I am a middle-class black guy EOTR" you're making a statement of fact. When you say "I represent middle-class black people ETOR" you're claiming an unearned authority. It's, like, the fallacy of composition or something.
That's not to say your unique perspective--including as an EOTR resident--isn't valuable. Just not necessarily "representative". Sorry if you think I was splitting hairs.
by oboe on Jan 3, 2012 3:51 pm
I think we're talking past each other, well at least you are. :)
When I wrote that I "represent" EOTR voters, it was only in response to your post commenting on what we want. So it never was intended to "speak" for EOTR voters. It was, "well, I happen to be a member of the group you mention and this is what I think"
On another note, you were wrong to bring class/race into a discussion that wasn't warranted. JMO
by HogWash on Jan 3, 2012 4:29 pm
Whenever I see this, I always wish I was carrying indelible lipstick for the occasion. A friendly reminder written on the windshield really is too good for these rude twerps.
The cycle track is in fact safer: the initial analysis found more cyclists and fewer crashes relative to the conditions before.
by Payton on Jan 4, 2012 2:38 pm
Just don't re-elect him.
by Carol on Jan 16, 2012 9:47 pm
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