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Spingarn remains the best option for streetcar barn
A group of residents in the Carver-Langston neighborhood of Ward 5 have successfully lobbied councilmember Kenyan McDuffie to oppose a streetcar maintenance facility in the southeastern corner of the ward. If they succeed in blocking the planned facility at that location, the city is left with few options that aren't very viable.
Ward 5 Councilmember Kenyan McDuffie released a letter asking the Gray administration to find a location for the facility that's not adjacent to Spingarn High School.
The letter said, "Many residents have indicated that they found the justification for the Spingarn site to be one of expedience, rather than necessity."
Letter makes several specious arguments
McDuffie's letter goes on to say that residents felt "disrespected" because more meetings weren't held in Ward 5. This is a straw man argument: Ward 6 meetings were held within blocks of Ward 5. A streetcar meeting at the Atlas Theater may have been outside of the ward, but it was close enough that anyone from the Trinidad or Carver Langston neighborhoods could walk to it.
A hypothetical meeting in North Michigan Park would be in Ward 5. While that would allow planners to say they held more meetings inside the ward, it wouldn't actually make it easier for neighbors voices to be heard.
The letter further says that residents are "dismayed that a major decision affecting our ward was made without the benefit of a Councilmember at the table to represent the community's interests." While this might be true about the apparent "final" decision to place the bar at Spingarn, Harry Thomas, Jr. was in office for years during the planning and construction along Benning Road. Perhaps he didn't reach out to members of the local neighborhoods for their input because he was busy stealing from them?
McDuffie used the term "dumping ground" as well. While he didn't say whether he feels this is an appropriate term to describe the ward, it's disappointing to see him giving the term credence by perpetuating its use. In debate and discussion during the election season, he distanced himself from the use of that term, but chose not to in this instance. Why?
Push DDOT to address real neighbor concerns
Finally, in his letter, McDuffie laid out five points that he classified as major concerns coming from neighbors. They include:
- Lack of material benefits to the Carver Langston neighborhood;
- Safety of students during and after the construction phase;
- Environmental impact;
- Level of noise from repairs and maintenance;
- Resources and job opportunities available at the training center for Spingarn students and Ward 5 residents.
On the first point, increased, reliable, safe, affordable transportation towards downtown is already a material benefit to the neighborhood. DC officials have frequently stated that streetcar pricing will be the same as Circulator service. That would be cheaper than taking the X2 bus along Benning Road and H Street.
The safety of students is an important concern. The streetcar project would be subject to the same safety requirements as any construction project in the city. After construction, when operations begin, the concern likely turns to students being hit by streetcars. It's worth noting that students stand a higher risk of being hit by cars speeding down Benning Road or 26th Street, yet neighbors are not seeking a ban on automobile traffic on those roadways.
The environmental impact of the construction can be mitigated with a green roof, solar panels, or other carbon-neutralizing accommodations.
The level of noise is a very valid concern, and DDOT should provide hard data showing the current decibel level at the site, and the expected future level, along with concrete plans to mitigate any increase in noise.
DDOT and DCPS also need to show plans for how a training program run through the school would work, how many spots would be available for students, etc. This is something these agencies should have worked on already, and it's certainly the city's fault for not having this information available by now.
Other options are not practical now, though it's worth pursuing them for the future
If all of these points still do not satisfy the residents of Carver-Langston, what options does the city have for alternate sites for the maintenance facility? Other locations were discussed at an April meeting at Spingarn High School. One of those is the RFK Stadium north parking lot area, across Benning Road from the Spingarn site.
However, the federal government owns this land, and leased it to DC with the limitation that it be used only for recreational purposes. Perhaps McDuffie could initiate a serious discussion with Eleanor Holmes Norton, for whom he interned before attending law school, about relaxing this requirement and allowing a car barn to be built on this land.
Another possibility was the site that is currently home to the Pepco plant just east of the Anacostia River. Unfortunately, that site is not under the control of the DC government either, and is much larger than what a streetcar facility would require.
If the District were able to get control of that site (which may require years of environmental mitigation), there would still likely need to be a small-area plan created for the entire site, which would take even more years of planning and meetings. Even if there were a way to fast track all of that, the line doesn't yet extend that far. DDOT plans to build the line there and beyond, but can't do that before next year, when they hope to open the line.
DC didn't plan adequately
The fact is that the District didn't plan well enough for the streetcar barn. DDOT officials long assumed that a space under the H Street "Hopscotch Bridge" would be available for a maintenance facility, and this never came to be. They should have put more time and effort into making sure that plans for the area under the bridge were solid, and should have planned for an alternate location in case the original plan fell through as it did.
As things stand now, the streetcar maintenance facility can't be built anywhere other than the area south of Spingarn High School without delaying the start of revenue service for at least another 5 years, at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, or both. If that happens, Ward 5 residents will definitely lose out.
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by Adam L on Jul 11, 2012 1:38 pm • link • report
by Phil on Jul 11, 2012 1:48 pm • link • report
by goldfish on Jul 11, 2012 1:59 pm • link • report
Yes, Amtrak did it's thing.
This link here: http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2012/07/10/amtrak-envisions-underground-expansion.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_washington+%28Washington+Business+Journal%29
GGW linked that this morning on the breakfast links. Amtrak is looking to build a large underground station for its NEC HSR, and that tunnel will go the way of the dinosaur if that happens.
by Xavier on Jul 11, 2012 2:01 pm • link • report
opponents: why haven't you considered other sites for the car barn?
DDOT: we did, they were all unworkable for various reasons and this site allows us to open in the timeframe provided and keeps the costs grounded.
opponents: see! There is the proof that the research wasn't done and we can put the car barn anywhere and have the streetcar operational in 2013!
Cue the assertions that there are no cost/timeline/jursidictional hurdles to placing the garage anywhere but next to a school but within about 40 miles of H street or so.
by drumz on Jul 11, 2012 2:02 pm • link • report
I don't think they have the money yet to extend the line over the bridge.
by Adam L on Jul 11, 2012 2:03 pm • link • report
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jul 11, 2012 2:03 pm • link • report
by Phil on Jul 11, 2012 2:12 pm • link • report
Oooooh! Burn.
Seriously, where has the nimby contingent been these past 18 months? It's not like DDOT showed up last week and said, "Boom. It's going here. End of discussion." You choose your own level of involvement in Fight Club.
by monkeyrotica on Jul 11, 2012 2:19 pm • link • report
by MJ on Jul 11, 2012 2:31 pm • link • report
I really don't understand why DDOT didn't plan for this further back (same goes for the west end terminus). They need to finish this section of the line and learn from their many mistakes for future lines.
by Mike on Jul 11, 2012 2:32 pm • link • report
I also agree with people who think that "neighborhood groups" getting too much deference. For example those same "neighborhood groups" were able to slow down the Cathedral Commons project on Wisconsin Avenue. I remember Giant first proposing renovating their store there in late 1999 and early 2000. By the time that I left that area of DC the project had not broken ground and that whole block from Cactus Cantina to the Giant had become blighted. Groups of neighbors had been fighting each other and abused litigation to prevent it from going forward. Only until a court ruled against the project opponents last year was the project finally able to move forward--more than 10 years after Giant first proposed it. I'm really surprised that Giant didn't just give up and abandon the project.
I could see that stopping the streetcar. But I would also the people living there. What do you expect DC to do? Rip up the tracks that have been laid?
by Rain17 on Jul 11, 2012 2:34 pm • link • report
by OrrenStNE on Jul 11, 2012 3:04 pm • link • report
I'll grant that DDOT didn't do its due diligence on the hopscotch bridge site, however I don't see any evidence one way or the other that it simply picked the school out of thin air either. I haven't been to these meetings that they held but those opposed need to have something more to counter than "we just don't believe you looked hard enough" since apparently they've done even less research except to look at other vacant spots in the area and assume the facility can just as easily go there.
In short, in lack of better evidence my gut is to go with the transportation professionals who have been working on this for years rather than a neighborhood group who can't decide on an appropriate timeframe.
by drumz on Jul 11, 2012 3:15 pm • link • report
Neighbors are showing up to save a beautiful school ()saee picture above); they won't show up to preserve a gas station.
@Adam L: I don't think they have the money yet to extend the line over the bridge.
They considered the Pepco, which is on the other side of the bridge. So why not consider the Shell station?
by goldfish on Jul 11, 2012 3:30 pm • link • report
You said it best. One group is comprised of "transportation professionals" and the other is a neighborhood group of dedicated amateurs. One wants to make changes to the neighborhood, the other wants to maintain the status quo. Guess which group has the higher burden of proof and, therefore, needs to work much, much harder to prove its case? That's the way it is. Having been in their shoes a few times, I don't envy the "professionals," especially if they've been sandbagged by the finger-in-the-wind pols.
by Phil on Jul 11, 2012 3:30 pm • link • report
Not to be contentious, but these two assertions seem bizarrely at odds with one another.
by oboe on Jul 11, 2012 3:40 pm • link • report
Which leads me to believe that I don't think that DDOT is lacking due diligence in this specific instance but rather that the oppositions claims are so bizarre that its been hard to predict a backlash. Maybe DDOT can do more to placate these new concerns but I don't think thats due to oversight.
by drumz on Jul 11, 2012 3:47 pm • link • report
Many of the neighbors actually went to this school. They don't want a butt-ugly shed on its front lawn. Take a drive down Benning Road, which until recently was terribly neglected. In this marble-clad monument-filled town, there is very little on the street that is worth preserving -- save the golf course, the school is probably the only other thing. And it is offensive that they will build a shed here, when directly across the street is the unused, 1/2 mile wide RFK parking lot.
Oh, and it takes time to build neighborhood opposition to something dropped on the front lawns of people that already have busy lives. These people are NOT gadflies.
by goldfish on Jul 11, 2012 3:59 pm • link • report
by dano on Jul 11, 2012 4:21 pm • link • report
a. I don't think there has been anything said about its design, you can make it look nice. That is something I would reccomend that people make clear to DDOT and the gov't at large. For maintenance facilities and pretty much everything.
b. The school is being preserved, the actual entrance is on 26th street, its just that more people drive by on benning. Moreover, while nice views are nice (and what constitutes a nice view is not subjective) none of us are really guarunteed one unless we can pay for it somehow. Its asking that we preserve a positive externality for a small (relatively) group of people at the expense of a bigger group.
c. the streetcar is being explicitly put on benning road to actual help jumpstart a lot of the investment that the area has missed out on in the past.
So we come back to the fact that basically its down to aesthetic (based on nostalgia apparentlY?) concerns which can a. be mitigated b. aren't as important (I'm not saying they're unimportant and should be ignored) as the other factors that come with the placement of the barn there.
by drumz on Jul 11, 2012 4:22 pm • link • report
I do think McDuffie wrote the letter to placate some loud residents. I think he won't put up too much of a roadblock to its timely construction.
by H Street Landlord on Jul 11, 2012 4:23 pm • link • report
by goldfish on Jul 11, 2012 4:31 pm • link • report
while those concerns could be easily met by moving the facility, it is not the only or most important concern. Operational ease, cost, and jurisdictional issues are also in play and there has been nothing to suggest (from either side admittedly but again, how do you predict backlash like this) that moving the site will meet those criteria either.
In light of that and absent evidence that we can have our cake and eat it too, I think the amount of outcry against this is unnecessary.
Saying "damn the costs, we can't have it here" seems eminently unreasonable to me.
by drumz on Jul 11, 2012 4:37 pm • link • report
Plus, the city is trying to avoid eminent domain issues. Recommending sites like this is simply adding more complexity rather than making the process easier.
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jul 11, 2012 4:39 pm • link • report
Make a retrofit, aesthetically, as well as the possible addition of storefronts, etc a required part of Phase II, to an extremely high level of design. This way, it gets it built quick, makes a promise to the community, and offers the opportunity to add another strong streetscape element that works for both the school and Benning Road.
by Neil Flanagan on Jul 11, 2012 4:54 pm • link • report
Putting the maintenance barn on the front lawn of the Spingarm campus would is a mistake that will be regretted for generations. But progress seems to be unstoppable: lord knows, there is money to be made here! Calling people that oppose it "gadflies that have too much influence on the political process" does not address their (and my) concerns. Forsaking the only nice thing on Benning Rd. is not smart, and it is not "smart growth".
I've provided numerous posting on this topic, and I see that the tide is against me. So be it.
by goldfish on Jul 11, 2012 5:02 pm • link • report
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jul 11, 2012 5:21 pm • link • report
Why wasn't the car barn location settled on before DDOT started laying track?
Sad to say, but the DC streetcar project has never had even the slightest apppearance of being professionally planned or thought out. Who ever heard of buying rolling stock and laying track without first figuring out where the power source (overheard wires) would go, finalizing the location of the maintenance facilities, and deciding where to put the turnarounds - for starters?
And whose bright idea was it to decide to end the H Street line at Union Station - and drawing up plans for a connnection to Metro - without first checking with the landlord (Amtrak)? How much time, effort, and money was wasted on that?
Let me get this out of the way: I'm a supporter of the DC streetcar project. I think it can be an asset. I just got back from Toronto, which has a great streecar system, and riding it was a pleasure.
But the DC Streetcars project has morphed into a monster that more and more resembles something that was rushed into willy-nilly by amatuers. DC has spent millions on this project and what does it have to show for it besides 3 streetcars that have been mothballed for the last 4 years and some tracks to nowhere?
As it is, the only reason to complete this project is that DC will look even more ridiculous for not finishing it than it does now.
And that doesn't say much for DDOT.
by ceefer66 on Jul 12, 2012 9:41 am • link • report
The problem (to me) has been that, since the tracks were laid, expectation of them being used immediately quickly rose. Speculation on real estate in the corridor increased the demand and expectation that there would be revenue service quickly. I personally believe that created a self-fulfilling feedback loop that led to rushed decisions on many fronts. Any slow-down at this point appears to be backtracking, fairly or not, to many supporters.
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jul 12, 2012 9:46 am • link • report
I guess I'm one of those with high expectations. But it appears to me that a "cart before the horse" situation existed.
As a project manager myself, I'm amazed at the appearance of a lack of any logical, structured sequence of tasks, deliverables, and milestones. I'm sure I'm not the only person who sometimes thinks that the extent of planning at DDOT was limited to someone showing up for work one morning and saying "Guys, the mayor and I think it would be cool if DC had streetcars, so let's get to work!".
I'm certain it didn't actually happen that way, but that's how it often looks and perception is key.
by ceefer66 on Jul 12, 2012 10:09 am • link • report
by Geoffrey Hatchard on Jul 12, 2012 10:13 am • link • report
The problem (to me) has been that, since the tracks were laid, expectation of them being used immediately quickly rose. Speculation on real estate in the corridor increased the demand and expectation that there would be revenue service quickly. I personally believe that created a self-fulfilling feedback loop that led to rushed decisions on many fronts. Any slow-down at this point appears to be backtracking, fairly or not, to many supporters.
Agreed, and also the fact that they bought cars years ago also increased expectations that it would open after the tracks were complete. They may have saved by piggybacking onto Portland's order but I question if those savings were lost since they've been sitting in Greenbelt for nearly 3 years. I do think a little more planning and a more comprehensive timeline would have been a good idea to set realistic expectations. I think they did a good job in saying that they were putting in tracks NOW during the street reconstruction to add only a few months of construction, rather than a new years-long project. But on the rest of it, especially the maintenance facility location, they didn't seem to care - maybe they envisioned a longer time frame than the public did, but they should have said that. Also there was a bunch of confusion in the administration turnover at DDOT it seems.
by MLD on Jul 12, 2012 10:35 am • link • report
by Cary on Jul 12, 2012 3:03 pm • link • report
They must have torn down all the stuff that's on H st. NE since the last time I was there.
by drumz on Jul 12, 2012 3:07 pm • link • report
I don't even like the street car system that much, but I am extremely disappointed in how he has sold out transit improvements (even less than ideal ones). This isn't why I voted for him. If the election was held again today, I'd strongly consider voting against him
by Too bad on Jul 13, 2012 5:35 am • link • report
This comment explains why we have issues with environmental concerns. Being in the architecture field, and working on many sustainable projects, this is way too narrow minded of a response to mitigating the environmental impact. A lot more goes into construction and life cycle of a building to simple just say, "Oh, we have a green roof". There is construction waste management, energy efficiencies of the new building, water use requirements, and more.
If it were so easy to offset environmental impacts as described, then every building would be sustainable, and it would be easy to become LEED Platinum.
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McDuffie is only doing what his neighbors and constituents ask him too. It seems that it is fine in today's world to sacrifice for others benefit. While, these residents will be able to utilize the streetcar (though I wouldn't be surprised if most do not, since they have made it this long without), should they suffer the burden so that it becomes easier for the rest of DC to explore H Street? Seems to me that these longterm residents would rather not have their lifestyle disrupted, and are hoping to have their voice heard. [Deleted for violating the comment policy.]
by Steven Sorrell on Jul 13, 2012 9:52 am • link • report
As for your second paragraph, humans did fine without electricity for a long time too. I dont see how this is a useful statement.
Their lifestyle isnt going to be disrupted by the construction of a building on land that they arent currently living on. Get real.
This is all a proxy battle over the future of the streetcars. It has nothing to do with anything except the long-time opponents of the street car retreating, reforming, and attacking from a new position.
by Too bad on Jul 13, 2012 11:19 am • link • report
I'm not quite sure how you can find all of my statements without merit. My discussion on environmental impacts is in fact true, as whenever new construction takes place, there is more involved than just "adding a green roof". I work at a firm which is the sustainable consultant on over 100 LEED certified projects in the city.
In addition, I was only playing devils advocate and explaining the other side, since the article was a bit more subjective.
by Steven Sorrell on Jul 13, 2012 11:44 am • link • report
that would be true whereever the carbarn is located. The only difference between the springarn site and other proposed sites is the loss of pervious surface. A green roof addresses that directly.
by AWalkerInTheCity on Jul 13, 2012 11:50 am • link • report
Since the route is "supposed' to go to Benning RD station why not place in the median of East Capitol Street there is enough room about 2 blocks worth of empty space and DC probably owns the land and trains would not be backtracking along the route to get to a barn.
Another option could be near Capitol Heights station on the DC side as there is huge amounts of empty or cheap land and DC has to own some over there.
by kk on Jul 14, 2012 7:04 pm • link • report
So, how much money would you be willing to pay to have the car barn south of the PEPCO station? I'm not asking how much the land at Spingarn is worth, I'm asking that between these choices:
A. Carbarn at Spingarn and businesses south of PEPCO
B. Grassy lawn at Spingarn and carbarn south of PEPCO
How much should the city be willing to pay for B?
If I were a businessman being threatened with losing his business thanks to eminent domain, I'd be pretty upset to find out that it was to preserve a lawn.
by David C on Jul 14, 2012 11:49 pm • link • report
If I were a businessman being threatened with losing his business thanks to eminent domain
I proposed using what is currently a Shell gasoline station. This will not put Shell or Joe Mamo (who buys gas station for the real estate investment) out of business.
by goldfish on Jul 16, 2012 11:29 am • link • report
As for the business loss, you also proposed the taxi business and car rental business, so it wasn't just the gas station. I'm not sure Joe Mamo owns that land, but I am sure that once you go to eminent domain, you have an unwilling seller. It's called a taking for a reason. The reason they're unwilling to sell, or why they bought the land in the first place is irrelevant. And if you have no concern for the business owner, how about the people that work there. I'd also be angry if I lost my job to preserve a lawn.
by David C on Jul 16, 2012 11:41 am • link • report
Nobody, least of all you, cares how much I value things.
by goldfish on Jul 16, 2012 11:43 am • link • report
Well then, why are you making a value argument here? You're whole position is that you value that lawn so much that the facility should be elsewhere. But if no one cares then why are you telling us this? If what you value is irrelevant, than I guess you agree that the lawn is the best location.
by David C on Jul 16, 2012 11:53 am • link • report
Your questioning my motivations are of no interest to other readers here. My arguments are to be considered at face value.
by goldfish on Jul 16, 2012 12:37 pm • link • report
Moving the facility to any other location will cost money. That is the main argument against doing so. It will also make it less useful for education, but that is only a secondary issue. I am only trying to determine how much money you'd be willing to pay to mitigate the issues you see with the proposed location. If moving it to the site of the gas station cost $43 billion, would that be money well spent? Are you of the opinion that regardless of the cost, the facility should be moved elsewhere - even if that means no streetcar?
On one side is the argument that this is cheaper. You're making the argument that we should spend more money for something better. Fine, I'm not asking you why it would be better. I'm asking you how much more money should we be willing to spend for this?
by David C on Jul 16, 2012 12:47 pm • link • report
...and also the fact that they bought cars years ago ...since they've been sitting in Greenbelt for nearly 3 years.
I just wanted to correct these real quick. The cars that have been sitting unused for years were purchased for the streetcar line in Anacostia/Barry Farm - not H Street. Not that this wasn't a mistake, it's just that it was a mistake on a different project.
by David C on Jul 17, 2012 8:50 am • link • report
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