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Moving more quickly in the city: DDOT is raising speed limits by 5 mph on four streets: New York Avenue, Bladensburg Road, North Capitol Street, and Canal Road. (Post)

Local commuters shift to transit: A higher proportion of the residents of all 5 jurisdictions served by Metro commute on public transit than in 1999. The rate of public transit commuting reached 37.5% in DC over 2007-11. (Examiner)

Pay attention to DC's gun victims: Courtland Milloy has an excellent column pointing out that when we all mourn the tragedy in Newtown, let's also not forget the many DC victims of gun violence, including children, who get little attention. (Post)

Courts may end DC's concealed weapons ban: A federal appeals court's ruling last week which overturned an Illinois ban on concealed weapons might mean the end of DC's similar ban. No other state currently has a ban in effect. (DCist)

Longer library hours?: DC's Council may pass Jack Evans' proposal to extend library hours, keeping all of the District's libraries open 7 days a week, and until 9pm most weekdays. Libraries have been a frequent target of budget cuts. (Post)

Tide turning on national VMT study?: Congressman Earl Blumenauer introduced a bill to mandate that Treasury study a VMT tax. The sponsor of a previous bill banning the USDOT from studying VMT tax lost reelection. (Streetsblog)

Rising wealth reshapes region: The emergence of a greater number of very wealthy households in the DC area has led to new luxury-goods markets. One index estimates that the number of high net worth individuals has risen 30% since 2008. (Post)

And...: Check out this collection of old DC transit photos (BeyondDC) ... Britain also rarely prosecutes drivers who injure or kill cyclists. (ibikelondon, movement) ... DCist runs through the wide range of Metro-themed gifts available.

Conributors nominated as best "tweeps": Greater Greater Washington editor Dan Malouff (@BeyondDC) and occasional contributors or cross-posters @StreetsblogDC, @DaveStroup, and @SharrowsDC all got nominations in the Post's "DC Tweeps" contest. Greater Greater Washington got a nomination for favorite local blogger as well. You can vote until December 29.

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DDOT's raising the limit everywhere except the two roads that really need it: 295 south, and the SE/SW Freeway.

by Froggie on Dec 18, 2012 8:39 am • linkreport

ditto what Froggie said.

p.s. making me type out the full name of DCA for the captcha is torture

by spookiness on Dec 18, 2012 8:49 am • linkreport

spookiness: You can type anything containing "National Airport" for that one. I can add "DCA" as an alternate allowable answer.

by David Alpert on Dec 18, 2012 8:52 am • linkreport

It seems odd that we can have proof that more people than ever are taking public transit, and at the same time have metro caught in a lie about the transit they've been providing, and continually whine and complain that ridership is down.

Well, which is it?

by NoMoreMetro on Dec 18, 2012 9:09 am • linkreport

Wait, I thought Milloy was favor of DC 'hoods staying ghetto. Seems to me cutting down on gun violence would make the city too much like Ward 3.

by B. Jones on Dec 18, 2012 9:16 am • linkreport

@NoMoreMetro
It seems odd that we can have proof that more people than ever are taking public transit, and at the same time have metro caught in a lie about the transit they've been providing, and continually whine and complain that ridership is down.

Well, which is it?

The census data compares 1999 to the average of 2007-2011. The ridership decline is this year compared to last year. Two completely different things.

by MLD on Dec 18, 2012 9:24 am • linkreport

DDOT is raising speed limits by 5 mph on four streets

Which, considering the massive amount of traffic lights, will only mean that people will get to the next red light slightly faster. Yippee.

we all mourn the tragedy in Newtown, let's also not forget the many DC victims

There is no point in mourning people you don't know. If you want to end shootings, do something to lower the amount of guns out there. The relation between the amount of guns around and homicides has been clearly established. Even in the US between different states.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

It is also worthwhile point out that the argument that you need weapons to overthrow your government is nonsense. For two reasons. One, the US has the most powerful military force in the world, with a massive stockpile of nuclear and biochemical weapons. If you seriously think you can overthrow a government with such capacities, read up on the situation in Syria. If you want to be able to overthrow your government, stop voting for increased funding for the Pentagon. Second, Tunisia is the country with the lowest gun ownership in the world. It is also the country where the Arab Spring started. You don't need guns to overthrow a government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

by Jasper on Dec 18, 2012 9:25 am • linkreport

This VMT nonsense is ridiculous. Raise the gas tax to at least cover all federal expenditures relating to transportation. End of story. Will cost $0 to raise the gas tax. No new transponders, no new infrastructure to track VMT, just the correct amount of funds coming in.

Oh, and then driving begins to be priced to cover its costs. Seems like a win win to me.

by Kyle-W on Dec 18, 2012 9:33 am • linkreport

The fact that most states don't have a ban on concealed carry is irrelevant for Constitutional purposes. The Illinois case does, hoever, represent a gradual change in the circuit courts to extend the Second Amendment beyond the home, which Heller declined to do (though it did not rule it out, either).

SCOTUS is going to have to take up a case in the next couple of years to settle that point. I'm hoping it's after Nino retires.

by Crickey7 on Dec 18, 2012 9:34 am • linkreport

@Kyle-W: It does seem like the VMT tax is technology for its own sake. There is nothing wrong with the gas tax, just no political will to raise it.

by goldfish on Dec 18, 2012 9:38 am • linkreport

There is no point in mourning people you don't know.

Happens all the time in every part of the world.

It is also worthwhile point out that the argument that you need weapons to overthrow your government is nonsense.

As well as the idea we can't do anything about guns because of the NRA. Or that we can't ban armor piercing bullets. Or that we can't ban assault rifles. Or that we need guns on college campuses. Or that DC needs to lift its concealed weapon ban.

Milloy's article and those similar to it will forever be lost in the shuffle. But he's right, lets not forget this stuff happpens too much in cities across america...especially the nation's capital.

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 9:43 am • linkreport

Kyle-W and goldfish said what I would have... it makes no sense to create 200 million individual payment accounts for VMT collection, when you can just raise the gas tax, and require that motor vehicles powered by other means pay differently.

by Richard Layman on Dec 18, 2012 9:53 am • linkreport

There is no point in mourning people you don't know

I don't think the reason people mourn is to achieve a practical purpose or point. T
In fact, there's no point mourning even when its people you do know. It won't accomplish anything tangible.

by Falls Church on Dec 18, 2012 9:57 am • linkreport

Which, considering the massive amount of traffic lights, will only mean that people will get to the next red light slightly faster. Yippee.

The portions of the roads where they are raising the limits have few to none traffic lights.

by Falls Church on Dec 18, 2012 10:00 am • linkreport

Our first priority should be to raise the gas tax. Then we should work on getting a pilot VMT program going in the next transportation bill.

by MLD on Dec 18, 2012 10:06 am • linkreport

@Richard Layman

A republican from Southern Virginia (gasp) actually was quite spot on with his proposal for Virginia specifically. Raise the gas tax by .15c (not nearly enough, but a start) and you can catch the people with electric cars and hybrids with higher registration fees.

Unfortunate that being fuel-efficient would be taxed higher, but that is likely going to be necessary if you are going to see traction. The rural lawmakers are going to need something to take to their F-150 driving constituents... "Hey, at least we stuck it to the people living in tiny boxes in the cities driving a Prius."

by Kyle-W on Dec 18, 2012 10:19 am • linkreport

@Froggie Raising the speed limit on the SE/SW Freeway would be a really bad idea. Take a look again at some of those hairy merges near the 14th street bridge.

by Distantantennas on Dec 18, 2012 10:21 am • linkreport

Milloy's column is less blatantly race-baity than most of his other columns, which may be considered excellent by the low standards we set for him. But his work still leaves a lot to be desired. Somehow he managed to twist the Newtown tragedy into an accusation that the media would only care about gun violence in the city if it took place in a white neighborhood. Nevermind that the media has been fixated on the Metrobus shooting story for quite some time now.

by Scoot on Dec 18, 2012 10:22 am • linkreport

Expanded library hours would be excellent, especially as DC has recently spent so much in capital funds to improve/renovate/build new spaces.

In addition to the inclusion of Sunday hours, keeping libraries open on all weekday evenings will create additional options for community group meeting spaces.

by Jacques on Dec 18, 2012 10:28 am • linkreport

Raising the speed limit on the SE/SW Freeway would be a really bad idea. Take a look again at some of those hairy merges near the 14th street bridge.

The vast majority of people are comfortable tackling those sections of the highway at a higher speed based on observed driving habits. Granted, the faster you go, the riskier it is but the vast majority of people are comfortable taking that risk.

by Falls Church on Dec 18, 2012 10:40 am • linkreport

Raising the speed limit on Canal Road makes much more sense for the periods when it is one way (rush hours) than when it is two way.

Wonder whether DC considered that approach instead of a full-on chance.

by ah on Dec 18, 2012 10:46 am • linkreport

@ Fall Church:Granted, the faster you go, the riskier it is but the vast majority of people are comfortable taking that risk.

The fact that people do something, does not mean they're comfortable doing it. People are terrible at risk evaluation. Drunk driving and lotteries are easy examples.

Personally, I find I-395 from the Pentagon north, the SW-SE freeway and the I-295/DC-295 transition a scary as hell road. Partially because so many people speed, partially because so few people blink before lane changes, partially because the road surface is so uneven, and partially because of all the non-DC/VA/MD tagged car drivers that are utterly overwhelmed by the sheer number of exits and poor signage.

I am aware of few people that are comfortable driving there.

by Jasper on Dec 18, 2012 10:50 am • linkreport

Somehow he managed to twist the Newtown tragedy into an accusation that the media would only care about gun violence in the city if it took place in a white neighborhood.

Well no, he actually didn't say that. You're employing the usual "lets see race where there is none" attacks against him. Once again, Milloy didn't mention white folk. He said that the media would care about the story more if it happened in G'town...which happens to be one of the wealthiest areas in DC. What does race have to do w/that?

Oh wait, nevermind. This is another SWPL situation...similar to the whole bike lanes for white folk thing. Maybe we can switch it up and say G'town is code for WWFL (where white folk live).

The 295/SW Freeway speed limit works as it currently is. We just feel the need to drive faster on open stretches

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 10:51 am • linkreport

Put me down in support of the feds, VA, MD raising the US and state gas excise taxes to, at a minimum, to adjust for cost of inflation in the many years since the last time the federal, VA, MD gas excise taxes were increased. Then index the gas tax to inflation or have a portion of the tax be a percentage gas sales tax. The gas tax should also be adjusted for overall improvement in average gas mileage, but that is not going to happen. Either raise the gas tax or start having tolls for a lot more roads - which will cost money to implement and lead to even angrier voters.

Eventually we will have to start to shift to a VMT taxing system. But that is best done as a slow roll-out as technology cost drops. At the present time, electric cars and plug-in hybrids are a tiny portion of the cars on the road. We can take 10 years to figure out how to implement a VMT tracking system while using a higher gas tax to pay for transportation infrastructure. But raising the gas tax is very difficult in the current political climate.

by AlanF on Dec 18, 2012 11:01 am • linkreport

@Distantantennas

Yes, there's some tight merges in/near downtown proper, but A) those are mitigated during peak traffic periods by the congestion, B) does not apply to the SE Freeway east of the 3rd St Tunnel, and C) non-congested traffic is already averaging a higher speed without significant impacts. I'd argue that, because this is a freeway and NOT a neighborhood street/arterial, this is one of those cases where prevailing traffic speed should carry some weight.

Regarding Newtown, a kid at my command made a suggestion this morning: why not offer a job to the thousands of veterans we have coming back, protecting our schools and schoolchildren? Kills multiple birds with one stone...better school protection, you're not arming teachers (another idea I've heard floated), and someone I know on Twitter suggested it could be therapeutic for the servicemember.

by Froggie on Dec 18, 2012 11:04 am • linkreport

Milloy has a point and it sucks to admit it but it should be obvious why a targeted massacre that specifically sought out children rates more coverage than a domestic dispute that turned deadly. That's not to say that domestic violence is trivial but it is frequent and becomes un-newsworthy through its repetition. Similar to how plane crashes are extensively covered by vehicle collision much less so.

In both instances gun control could have prevented or mitigated the tragedy. But the one most likely to sway those in the middle is the unexpected shock.

by drumz on Dec 18, 2012 11:15 am • linkreport

Nino ain't gonna retire while there's a Democrat in the White House. None of the conservatives will, and that includes Kennedy, who has said as much. And Roberts is going to be out to re-prove his conservative street cred these next two years, so watch out. Sandra Day weeps for our nation.

by aaa on Dec 18, 2012 11:26 am • linkreport

The Examiner link isn't working.

In any event, how an the Examiner claim that more people are using transit when WMATA figures report a decrease in Metro trips?

by ceefer66 on Dec 18, 2012 11:41 am • linkreport

why not offer a job to the thousands of veterans we have coming back, protecting our schools and schoolchildren?

Sounds good in theory but 1)Likely can't afford it 2)The guy broke into the school so having a guard there might have mattered little.

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 11:42 am • linkreport

I thought the Milloy column was great, though very sad.

I do agree there needs to be more attention to the everyday murders that happen in the country. On a more positive note, murder is down throughout the country and DC is at a fifty year low.

I've always thought that Milloy is clearly a very skilled writer, though I disagree with a lot of his positions. BTW, I wonder if he posts here since he clearly reads the blog?

So heartwrenching about the poor 23 month old who has now lost her parents. I made a donation.

by H Street LL on Dec 18, 2012 11:44 am • linkreport

Disappointed that Military Road between Oregon Avenue and 14th Street wasn't one of those where the speed limit was raised. It's only 35 mph - it could be at least 45 mph.

by Frank IBC on Dec 18, 2012 11:47 am • linkreport

@Hogwash

I agree, mostly on the cost issue. Quite research indicates 98,817 schools in the 2009-2010 school year nation wide, likely over 100,000 now. If we are going to put one person in each school, at a cost of $50,000*100,000=5,000,000,000, I would much prefer that person be another librarian, or math teach, as opposed to a heavily armed 24 year old.

Certainly think we need to work harder to find jobs for our veterans, but this is not the place.

by Kyle-W on Dec 18, 2012 11:53 am • linkreport

"Merge" is a bit of an oversimplification of the problem on the Southwest Freeway. More precisely, the problem is a conflict between traffic coming from the 3rd Street Freeway ramp that needs to cross over to the left to continue to the Case Bridge while at the same time there is traffic coming from the Soutwest Freeway that must cross over to the right to continue to either 12th Street or Maine Avenue.

by Frank IBC on Dec 18, 2012 12:04 pm • linkreport

@H Street LL

lolz he's HogWash!

@Hogwash

the point of a guard is to prevent the break-ins

by MJB on Dec 18, 2012 12:05 pm • linkreport

DDOT raising the speed limit on Canal Road NW is stupid in the extreme. Canal Road is dangerous enough already, with poorly marked switching lanes and no shoulders. In fact, for much of it's length, the road is sandwiched between a steep hill side and the drop to the C&O canal. It's a recipe for potential head-on vehicle conflicts and raising speeds reduces chance of avoidance and raises injury risk.

by Bob on Dec 18, 2012 12:15 pm • linkreport

Once again, Milloy didn't mention white folk. He said that the media would care about the story more if it happened in G'town...which happens to be one of the wealthiest areas in DC. What does race have to do w/that?

When he uses the term Georgetown he is referring to the quintessential rich white neighborhood which is insulated from what he perceives to be the "real" DC. He does not have to use the word "white" for his words to take that meaning. Just take a look at his body of work.

In my opinion the column misses on several marks. It is not only classist and racist (as is typical for him), but it also tries to falsely equate DC gun violence with what happened in Newtown. The only thing these two things have in common is that they both involved guns. After that, the details begin to significantly diverge.

It also tries to diminish actual media coverage of these types of events and tries to redefine the term "mass murder" from its real definition (a large number of murders occurring during one particular event) to a made-up definition (a large number of murders during a large number of events).

by Scoot on Dec 18, 2012 12:19 pm • linkreport

Addition to my previous comment:

...all being done in a four-block stretch of roadway (between 3rd Street and 7th Street).

by Frank IBC on Dec 18, 2012 12:37 pm • linkreport

He does not have to use the word "white" for his words to take that meaning.

This will not be a repeat of the previous Milloy article where many agreed him using bike lanes is code for white folk. There is no point in repeating that the dog whistle white folk heard ain't the same for black folk.

So I'll say this. At some point, white folk need to just STOP! Stop complaining that black folk (ok..just Milloy) is using "bike lane" and "G'town" as a race card for white folk. It's beyond ridiculous now and guess who are the largest perpetrators of race speech in DC...not black folk..but white folk. And I don't mean white folk specifically targeting nonwhites in a racial way. I mean white folk deciding among themselves that they are indeed justified in characterizing references to these things as a secret "code" for them.

Just stop! If you really believe bike lanes ain't just SWPL then stop complaining that the mention of one is..SWPL.

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 1:02 pm • linkreport

"This will not be a repeat of the previous Milloy article where many agreed him using bike lanes is code for white folk. "

It won't be because unlike the striping of bike lanes, which is a POLICY whose merits some debate, Georgetown is a neighborhood that is going to exist whatever Milloy says about it. IF he is using it as a dogwhistle, has no impact, not even potential impact. Whereas some readers may actually decide to oppose bike lanes based on his columns. So most of us don't care. All he is advocating for in this column I guess (didnt read it yet) is more attention to inner city shootings, which I think few of us would disagree with.

by AWalkerInTheCity on Dec 18, 2012 1:28 pm • linkreport

Some perspective....numbers I recall from NPR the afternoon of the Newtown shooting (while I was still in radio range):

28 - Number of deaths at Newtown (includes the shooter and the death at the house)

100-some - Average number of deaths a year in mass-murders in the US.

15,000 - Average number of homicides a year.

Then I'd like to add this for more perspective:

32,885 - Number of traffic fatalities in the US in 2010 (lowest annual total since 1949)

by Froggie on Dec 18, 2012 1:44 pm • linkreport

Nice touch, Froggie, but we're talking about traffic safety in DC, not the entire US. And I recently read that guns kill more people in DC than traffic accidents.

It's funny to note how DC officials have set arbitrary low speed limits, installed to speed cameras to enforce the speed limits claiming it's important to obey the posted speed limit because of "safety" but then they come back and say it's actually safer to go faster on the very same road.

by ceefer66 on Dec 18, 2012 2:00 pm • linkreport

@ Froggie: Some perspective....

Let's add some more perspective:
9/11: ~3000 victims.

Just think how much money has been spent after that event to prevent future similar events, not only in Afghanistan and Iraq but also through DHS and TSA for instance.

Think what could have been done with that money for gun control, traffic safety or education...

by Jasper on Dec 18, 2012 2:00 pm • linkreport

Stop complaining that black folk (ok..just Milloy) is using "bike lane" and "G'town" as a race card for white folk.

Perhaps when black folk stop complaining that concerns about crime and poor schools are just thinly-veiled jabs at them.

It's beyond ridiculous now and guess who are the largest perpetrators of race speech in DC...not black folk..but white folk.

Yeah, because it's white folk calling for the boycott of Asian businesses (http://rt.com/usa/news/dc-barry-mayor-asian-395/).

by Vinh An Nguyen on Dec 18, 2012 2:10 pm • linkreport

Certainly think we need to work harder to find jobs for our veterans, but this is not the place.

Yes! And as much of a supporter I am, we tend to imagine that we have money to do whatever vets need...and we just don't.

the point of a guard is to prevent the break-ins

Most schools I know actually already have them. In order for this to work, the guard would've had to be at the door at the moment the guy broke the window. He would also have to be armed..something I don't believe most are. So he would've likely thrown himself in front of the bullet as did the principal.

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 2:23 pm • linkreport

It is not only classist and racist (as is typical for him), but it also tries to falsely equate DC gun violence with what happened in Newtown. The only thing these two things have in common is that they both involved guns.

Dag! Meant to address this. Well yeah I guess you could say that. But that means you also feel the same way about Bloomberg, Emanuel, Christie and others who have also equated (you believe falsely) their cities gun violence with Newtown, and Aurora, and Columbine, and Ft. Hood...et. al. So if we're gonna play the race card against Milloy on this one, then at least he's consistent w/the aforementioned...which also includes the President..and Diane Feinstein, and Joe Lieberman, and Pat Quinn, and....

It also tries to diminish actual media coverage of these types of events and tries to redefine the term "mass murder" from its real definition

This can't be a serious critique.

by HogWash on Dec 18, 2012 2:32 pm • linkreport

But that means you also feel the same way about Bloomberg, Emanuel, Christie and others who have also equated (you believe falsely) their cities gun violence with Newtown, and Aurora, and Columbine, and Ft. Hood...et. al.

I have not yet read the comments from those people, but if they are trying to make the same equation that Milloy is, then of course they deserve the same criticism.

It also tries to diminish actual media coverage of these types of events and tries to redefine the term "mass murder" from its real definition

This can't be a serious critique.

It actually is a serious critique, because it reveals an attempt to redefine words to fit a particular narrative -- the narrative being that DC's routine gun violence should be looked at as somehow equivalent or in concert with gun violence perpetrated by murderous lunatics against innocent children. Actually what DC is facing, and has been facing for quite some time now, is not an epidemic of mass murderers, but rather, a systemic crime problem fueled mostly by drugs, gangs, and poverty, where people (many with histories of criminal activity) are using guns to carry out crimes of opportunity or to kill one another in gang wars. This quite literally couldn't be any further from what happened in Newtown.

by Scoot on Dec 18, 2012 2:53 pm • linkreport

@Jasper/ceefer:

My point on the "perspective" (similar to what was being discussed at the time on NPR), is that while these events are tragic and nasty and should never have happened in the first place, they are still rare events (news media coverage notwithstanding). You're far more likely to get shot individually than to be involved in a mass shooting. Meanwhile, you're far more likely to be in a traffic crash than shot.

by Froggie on Dec 18, 2012 3:18 pm • linkreport

@ Froggie:Meanwhile, you're far more likely to be in a traffic crash than shot.

Only by a factor of 2.5. Not sure I'd call that 'far more likely'.

by Jasper on Dec 18, 2012 3:21 pm • linkreport

comparisons of numbers get silly. While I am strongly for improved traffic safety, death by violence is a violation of the social order, in a way that accidents and illness are not (think about this - if you get a black eye from hitting a door by accident, thats a minor embarassment - if you get one because your spouse hits you, most of us would think you should consider divorce) Violence represents social dominance, power, etc. Similarly mass violence and political violence are in different categories. (it may be that violence by the mentally ill is in some ways more like an accident than like the use of violence to achieve social control - Im not sure)

by AWalkerInTheCity on Dec 18, 2012 3:39 pm • linkreport

@Froggie,

"you're far more likely to be in a traffic crash than shot."
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You're also far more likely to die of a heart attack.

Quite honestly, I think your argument is of the "solution looking for a problem" variety.

Considering the heavy traffic in DC and the proliferation of traffic calming measures and traffic cameras, the idea that DC is in danger of some onslaught of reckless speed demons simply because speed limit is increased by 5mph on long-used commuter thoroughfares is an exaggeration to say the very least.

by ceefer66 on Dec 18, 2012 3:50 pm • linkreport

So how is getting injured or killed by someone irresponsibly or maliciously operating a 2 ton death machine not violence? Such hypocrisy to call getting killed by a driver an "accident".

by Curious George on Dec 18, 2012 4:10 pm • linkreport

@Jasper: The fact that people do something, does not mean they're comfortable doing it. People are terrible at risk evaluation. Drunk driving and lotteries are easy examples....

I am aware of few people that are comfortable driving there.

I didn't say people are comfortable driving on 395. It's an incredibly annoying road to drive on that's not well designed. I said people are comfortable driving the (high) speed that they drive at. This is by definition. If they were not comfortable driving at that speed, they would drive at a lower speed.

Also, I wouldn't say people are terrible at evaluating risk. Rather people have different risk tolerances. The vast majority of people think drunk driving is too risky of a behavior and don't do it. So, it should obviously be outlawed. On the other hand, the vast majority of people think that its not too risky to drive after having a teaspoon of cough syrup. So, it should not be outlawed.

Similarly, the vast majority of people don't think that driving at 45-50mph on 395 is too risky. So, it should not be outlawed.

by Falls Church on Dec 18, 2012 4:34 pm • linkreport

"So how is getting injured or killed by someone irresponsibly or maliciously operating a 2 ton death machine not violence? Such hypocrisy to call getting killed by a driver an "accident"'

it depends on intent, as with death cause by a kitchen knife, a piece of construction equipment, or a bicycle. Or for that matter a gun.

by AWalkerInTheCity on Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm • linkreport

"If they were not comfortable driving at that speed, they would drive at a lower speed."

I am not comfortable driving far below the speed of prevailing traffic. In some places one can avoid high speeds by traveling in the right hand lane. On parts of I395 depending on where you are heading, that is not an option. Ergo, I often have to drive faster than I am comfortable with on I395.

That, IMO, is one of the problems with treating observed speeds as some kind of referendum. In some places that works, but not all.

by AWalkerInTheCity on Dec 18, 2012 4:59 pm • linkreport

Jasper, Curious George (and maybe others) -

Cars are designed for transportation.

Guns are designed explicitly for killing. They have no other purpose.

Big difference.

by Frank IBC on Dec 18, 2012 6:03 pm • linkreport

@ Frank IBC:Guns are designed explicitly for killing. They have no other purpose.

Well, not that I want to defend gun ownership, but clay-pigeon shooters would like to differ.

Cars are designed for transportation.

But they sure can be used as a weapon. Check virtually every action movie.

by Jasper on Dec 18, 2012 8:57 pm • linkreport

Cars are designed for transportation.

But they sure can be used as a weapon. Check virtually every action movie.
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Emphasis on fiction, as opposed to reality.

by ceefer66 on Dec 19, 2012 9:21 am • linkreport

@ceefer66, um, check "car used as a deadly weapon" type criminal charges. They are very common.

by goldfish on Dec 19, 2012 9:26 am • linkreport

@Jasper: for getting killed in a car crash, yes "only" about 2.5 times more. But for getting in a car crash period is a good bit higher than that.

@ceefer: you completely missed my point. I was trying to bring some persective to the Newtown school shooting...something NPR was doing as well the afternoon of the shooting...and pointing out that one is far more likely to be involved in a myriad of other things. Nowhere at all was I tying it to the speed limit. In fact, if you read further up in the comments, I'd posted previously in favor of higher speed limits on a couple of the freeways.

by Froggie on Dec 19, 2012 9:43 am • linkreport

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