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Shaw church parking demand is nothing new
Church parking is a huge problem in Shaw, especially today. It's commonly said that the churches in Shaw used to serve immediate residents, and thus didn't need as much parking, but as their congregants have moved farther away over time, they need space for their cars on Sundays. But is this true?
Mari at InShaw did some research and found a 1957 survey of churches in the "Shaw Urban Renewal Area." She writes:
Of the 42 churches reporting in the NW Urban Renewal area (see map), only 14 had 40% or more of their membership in the renewal area in 1957. Yes, that is 56 years ago, but as present day churches grousing about parking dredge up members who've been attending for 40-50 years as an excuse to ignore parking violations of members of undetermined tenure, I say it is fair to look at membership patterns from way back then.
In [an Examiner article from October, entitled "Parking conflicts prompting churches to flee D.C.,"] Lincoln Congregational Temple is mentioned as one of the complaining churches. On page 39 of the 1957 survey only 25% of its congregants lived in the area and supposedly of that, most were elderly, people who should be by now at home with Jesus. With the Savior and not driving and trying to find a parking spot.The parking problem has grown especially acute recently. Residents petitioned DDOT to extend residential permit parking (RPP) to Sundays, meaning churchgoers who don't live in the area can only park for 2 hours on RPP blocks and not at all on one side of every street. That has made it impossible for church patrons to use the street parking.In '57 a majority of their membership [were] up in Brookland and over in Kenilworth. It is possible that the church recruited a ton of members in the Shaw area since the survey, who then moved out of the area and come back on Sundays. However, I don't think that gives anyone a moral right to a parking spot, no more than having the right to use the toilet in your first apartment years after you turned in the keys and got[] your deposit back.
Shaw is chock full of churches, and some of them have figured out how to worship without double parking and the like. Sadly it is the ones who haven't seriously looked for solutions, other than breaking the law, who seem to scream the loudest. It is embarrassing as a believer, when some church leaders try to make parking a theological issue. Parking ain't in the Bible.
I also suspect that in 1957 Shaw had fewer resident-owned cars, so there wasn't the same level of competition for curb space.
DDOT has been working with individual churches for some time to try to find extra space that can accommodate parking on Sundays, like diagonal parking or space along the medians of wide avenues. But any such parking has to be open to all, not just churchgoers (anything else would be fairly clearly unconstitutional), and just adding more free parking won't ultimately solve the problem.
Many of the churches, but not all, have nearby office buildings or public schools with unused parking capacity on Sundays. There should be a way to work out a deal where the churches can use these lots. However, that parking won't be entirely free.
As we saw with the compromise the Washington Interfaith Network worked out for Columbia Heights churches to use the DC USA garage, once free parking is clearly not an option, suddenly a compromise that involves non-free parking becomes tenable.
The neighborhood parking also isn't entirely full, now that it's so restricted. It should be possible to let some people who want to drive to Shaw park on neighborhood streets, but there isn't room for all. How can DC allocate this scarce resource? The only ways to divvy up a limited resource is lottery, queue, pricing, favoritism (choosing one preferential group), or a hodgepodge.
Right now, it's favoritism for residents, with no option for others. The most sensible approach would be to set up a parking pass that's not free, perhaps also limited in number, which people could purchase to park in Shaw on Sundays. But the assumption that parking must be free, that free parking is a God-given right, is a straitjacket that forecloses better, creative solutions.
Update: The change to the parking included restrictions to RPP holders only on one side of every street. The original article did not mention this feature of the new policy. It has been corrected.
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An even, impartial application of existing laws would go a long way towards encouraging everyone who parks on Sundays - not just churchgoers - to obey the law and organize their trips in such a manner that they are not in violation of the law.
In short, simply enforcing existing laws on Sundays will probably be enough to abate the problem to a point that would be a reasonable compromise.
by MJB on Feb 1, 2013 1:27 pm • link • report
by Adam L on Feb 1, 2013 1:57 pm • link • report
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by drumz on Feb 1, 2013 2:17 pm • link • report
by Alan B. on Feb 1, 2013 2:25 pm • link • report
by erik on Feb 1, 2013 2:26 pm • link • report
Maybe this reveals my ignorance of DC churches, but do services typically last longer than 90-120 minutes? Back in my raised-Catholic days, mass ran 45 minutes to an hour depending on if we got the chatty or concise priest.
by worthing on Feb 1, 2013 2:35 pm • link • report
This is a head scratcher. In a free society, why wouldn't people have a "right" to drive anywhere they can walk or bike or metro to.
by HogWash on Feb 1, 2013 2:35 pm • link • report
Can't say whether it's typical but being in church longer than 2 hours is not uncommon.
by HogWash on Feb 1, 2013 2:37 pm • link • report
by Tom M on Feb 1, 2013 2:38 pm • link • report
by Alan B. on Feb 1, 2013 2:43 pm • link • report
It seems like the best, and fairest, way for everyone to get along is to enforce the law equally and without favor. I don't expect the District to allow me to park my car in violation of the law if I go to the gym or engage in some other discretionary activity, so why should churchgoers be given that privilege?
by Potowmack on Feb 1, 2013 2:44 pm • link • report
by drumz on Feb 1, 2013 2:46 pm • link • report
by Tom M on Feb 1, 2013 2:52 pm • link • report
Another observation: The most sensible approach would be to set up a parking pass that's not free, perhaps also limited in number, which people could purchase to park in Shaw on Sundays.
Is there such a volume of the newly 2-hour spaces that permitting paid access to them would solve things? My impression DC-wide has been that the biggest challenge is double/illegal parking, which could only be somewhat mitigated depending on how many permits would be available.
by worthing on Feb 1, 2013 2:55 pm • link • report
If I read the DA correct, the issue is what should the law be.
It used to be no restrictions on Sundays, which worked for the churchgoers, but was not functional for the neighbors. Now RPP applies on Sunday to all, which can be fair in the sense that its equally enforced, but means that someone who does not live in the RPP zone who highly values parking (for more than 2 hours) cannot park there at all - while someone who doesnt value it much can get free parking, 24/7/365, for $35 a year. You can call that fair, but it hardly seems like the best solution for allocating a limited resource.
If RPPs were priced to better reflect their value, and if it were possible for non residents to purchase them, perhaps to purchase them for specific off peak days or times only, that could be a much better, and arguably fairer, solution.
by AWalkerInTheCity on Feb 1, 2013 2:56 pm • link • report
by rg on Feb 1, 2013 2:58 pm • link • report
The point is we CAN find approaches/compromises that produce JOINT GAINS. Or should we just keep driving wedges between groups??
Unfortunately not because this is just where we are. We've seen it play out similarly in places around the country. I believe the introduction of blogs has contributed to this in both good and horribly bad ways....
LOL@Worthing...Always! Personally, I prefer the Episcopal/Presbyterian church clock. :)
by HogWash on Feb 1, 2013 3:02 pm • link • report
I think no one disagrees with that. It's figuring out what "available" means and where it is.
by drumz on Feb 1, 2013 3:10 pm • link • report
dont you think DA's approach could be the basis for compromise? Does it not represent a serious reaching out, to use the logic of pricing, to overcome the wedges between communities?
by AWalkerInTheCity on Feb 1, 2013 3:12 pm • link • report
No, not really, because the issue as much as anything about vehicles parking illegally as anything. Church members shouldn't be allowed to double-park into bike lanes or lanes of traffic, especially not when they are boxing residents in. Church members shouldn't be allowed to park on corners past No Parking signs, nor should they be allowed to park in front of fire hydrants. But in Shaw, these are regular occurrences on Sunday mornings, and the rule of law goes unenforced.
by Circle Thomas on Feb 1, 2013 3:15 pm • link • report
So, I ask you - what sort of compromise would you suggest?
by dcd on Feb 1, 2013 3:26 pm • link • report
I say all this because even though I find many things problematic about churches in the area (like Foundry's bells on a Sunday morning--I can hear them 3 blocks away) including their tax breaks, I do think this is not a simple argument. It's one thing to tie-up a thoroughfare like the mega-chruch near Home Depot does and it's another to merely annoy people on Sunday in much the way that zoo visitors do in Lanier Heights, Mt P, Woodley & Cleveland Park and nighttime visitors do in Adams-Morgan. At least churchgoers don't back into your car drunk while parallel parking (Adams-Morgan) or leave broken beer bottles in the street. I live a few blocks from Shaw but find the Sunday privilege given for parking to be more of a problem in places like 16th Street (a very diverse and ecumenical strangulation of a thoroughfare in areas where side street parking often is plentiful). Churches may not have the role they once had in neighborhoods, they still have a big political role and the endless attention to mostly Black churches without considering the bigger picture is just doomed to fail, and unlikely to address what privilege should be given to places of worship.
by Rich on Feb 1, 2013 3:27 pm • link • report
Absolutely! Yet, the challenge will continue to be getting people to concede. I'm not sure if the "war over church parking" will subside even in the face of reasonable idea. I was more focused on the idea of how we can't all get along.
Church members shouldn't be allowed to double-park into bike lanes or lanes of traffic, especially not when they are boxing residents in.
No they shouldn't and we've discussed it here countless times among mutual agreement. [Deleted].
by HogWash on Feb 1, 2013 3:34 pm • link • report
Oh. I think the great thing about this blog, is that it focuses on policy solutions as a way of addressing issues that can create conflicts. Good prices and good policies make good neighbors, so to speak.
by AWalkerInTheCity on Feb 1, 2013 3:44 pm • link • report
The problem is that the churches seem to just want exceptions made for their parishioners, they don't want to offer solutions. Perhaps the churches should run shuttle buses from metro stops or distant parking lots.
by erik on Feb 1, 2013 3:45 pm • link • report
Erik, Thanks for clarifying what you meant!
@Alan, see above.
by HogWash on Feb 1, 2013 3:52 pm • link • report
by Tom M on Feb 1, 2013 3:58 pm • link • report
However, I do think at many churches a lot of people hang around longer.
by David Alpert on Feb 1, 2013 4:05 pm • link • report
thats how we allocate lots of scare goods. I agree that incomes in this country should be more equal (and I cast my vote in November with that in mind) but I don't think income equity has to be the primary factor in deciding every single issue.
by AWalkerInTheCity on Feb 1, 2013 4:06 pm • link • report
by AWalkerInTheCity on Feb 1, 2013 4:07 pm • link • report
Besides, how else are you going to ensure availability other than price? The only way I can think is restricting to specific groups but why is that preferable to charging money?
by drumz on Feb 1, 2013 4:14 pm • link • report
@Tom M - I don't like that precedent much. What happens if I live in the neighborhood and am parked there Saturday--I have to move my car for the church despite the fact that I pay for an RPP for that zone? Regardless of what RPP costs, it still doesn't make sense to have a paying resident of a neighborhood be subject to ticketing and towing to allow for free church parking in his or her place. It's a little too "the church deserves this free benefit because it's a church" for my blood. I don't think I'd call that compromise.
by worthing on Feb 1, 2013 4:21 pm • link • report
Simply enforcing the parking laws on Sunday would solve this problem.
by anon-dc on Feb 1, 2013 4:49 pm • link • report
We've implemented performance parking in some neighborhoods. Why not RPPs the same way? Determine how many permits the neighborhood can bear so that there are always some spots available. Then create a formula to determine the price of the permits so that you always have some available at the DMV. The price of the permits will go up and down just like the prices do with performance parking.
It should also probably be ANC based and not wards. The wards are big and people in ward 4 for example often drive to the Takoma metro and park. No spots open up during the day and it screws things up. People in popular neighborhoods closer to downtown have the same issues. Residential Parking Permits should be all about parking near your residence. Make it based on the ANC and that helps solve some problems. It also makes my idea about pricing the RPPs more practical.
by TakomaNick on Feb 1, 2013 5:04 pm • link • report
If you mean the church gets 10 or so VPPs they can use to park in a RPP zone, I'm fine with that. If you mean clearing out half a block for the exclusive use for churchgoers - no way. Why on earth should a private entity get exclusive use of public parking space? The right to use it in a legal fashion? Sure. Creating a de facto private parking lot on a public street. That's a bridge too far.
by dcd on Feb 1, 2013 5:54 pm • link • report
Agreed that you shouldn't have to pay for your driveway or garage. However, in a rational world, owners of garages and driveways would pay an annual fee for their curb cut. They are, after all, being given exclusive use of a valuable piece of public property that could otherwise be used for others to park in.
by contrarian on Feb 1, 2013 5:56 pm • link • report
Park at outlying Metro lots and take Metro in.
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by Falls Church on Feb 2, 2013 11:45 am • link • report
that would kind of piss off the Orthodox Jews though. Driving on Saturday, ya know? I mean of course people do it, Reform says its fine, Conservative allows it (kind of sort of) but to, you know, make a federal case about it?
I mean if they want to get into this kind of micro local issue, the fact that schools hold so many events on friday nights would be more important.
by TodayIsShabbos on Feb 2, 2013 12:55 pm • link • report
by Jim K on Feb 2, 2013 3:39 pm • link • report
I feel like I am the only gentrifying who is more or less ok with this, honestly. It's Sunday... it's generally accepted that meters are not in effect, nor are permits required (in most places). The only thing that really bugs me is double parking. Letting a few rules slide for a few hours from Sunday morning to the early afternoon is ok to me. Honestly, who cares? Even if the cars take up space that's supposed to be reserved for the bus stops, the truth is that the buses don't come that often anyway. Plenty of neighborhoods have "formalized" the Sunday morning situation, in that parking is explicitly allowed in some places (according to the signs) only on Sunday morning/early afternoon. The fact that other neighborhoods accept this "unofficially" isn't a problem, IMHO.
That said, when the church I currently attend saw that its membership was starting to more and more be drawn from people who were driving in from the suburbs, they did the reasonable thing which was to pick up and move to another part of DC where they could build a bigger church with a large parking lot.
by Tyro on Feb 2, 2013 8:20 pm • link • report
I'm a little disapointed to see "churches" lumped together as one monthlic entity. There actually is signficant variation in how churches behave and how engaged they are with their neighborhoods and people who don't worship there or anywhere. I'm routinely on both sides of this issue as both a churchgoer and someone who lives near several churches that are bad neighbors about parking.
I think parking laws should be enforced at all times including Sundays and that any special arrangements made should be available to groups that have high parking needs at only one particular time.
My church has made arrangments for people to park in the hotel garage across the street at a reduced rate. Sunday morning is not a super busy time for them. I suspect more churches might be able to make arrangements like this if they tried. To me that makes more sense than a dedicated church parking facility that wouldn't get much use during the week. I'm sure if we still had our surface parking lot many of you would be complaining about the existance of a surface parking lot on Thomas Circle. It's kind of a no brainer to me that affordable housing and services for homeless women is a better use of the land than parking.
However, think saying "just take metro" is overly simplistic, while there may be metro stops near the churches, there aren't metro stops in all parts of the city. Large chunks of NE and SE have really crummy weekend transit options. There are actually people who travel from one part of the city to another for church. It's not just surbanities. More than an hour trying to take transit vs. 15 minutes in my car is not a contest.
Churches should be good neighbors and deal with parking issues and traffic flow issues. However, I have little patience for people who move in right near a church and then complain that there are all these people in your neighborhood on Sunday morning or in evenings during the week. It's like moving next to a school and complaining about the presence of children.
by Kate W. on Feb 4, 2013 2:17 pm • link • report
There may be also an assumption that all of these churches still have large congregations and/or multiple services.
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by ET on Feb 5, 2013 10:47 am • link • report
So, on one hand I see the loyalty of the African American saints who drive back into the neighborhood, sometimes with 2 or 3 and even 4 generations in the car, to get to the Sunday service, is astounding. Many of these members used to live in Shaw, but over time for various reasons, moved out. But they remain faithful to their church home.
On the other hand, there is a disconnect between the church and the neighborhood. At my old church in Shaw, my wife and I were among 4 or 5 members would would walk to church. All others drove in from other parts of the city or from the suburbs. The majority of the congregation had no idea what was happening in the neighborhood, or how the neighbors felt about the traffic mess that it created on Sundays.
I have talked with pastors about how parking communicates with the surrounding neighborhoods where their buildings are located, they are surprised that my neighbors and I think the way we do.
There is a mentality and a behavior problem where the Church feels that it has the right to double park, block bus stops, fire plugs, and even on some streets, triple park. And too bad if you have a problem with this! This is pure arrogance.
I have talked with my neighbors about the expression of the church as it is presented to those of us that live here. A summary of my conversations over the years about the church and the disconnect from the neighborhood - and how parking is a key indicator of this disconnect - is as follows:
The church drives in from the burbs; parks illegally
talks amongst itself; makes a lot of noise; has a good time with Jesus; and buries its dead. None of my neighbors have ever mentioned to me how a specific church has been a gift to the neighborhood. Not once in 12 years.
So for my part, I reject the philosophy that parking is a right, or that it is a theological issue. For me, going to church in a distant location, other than where you live, work and play is the theological issue.
As a Christian myself, I am appalled by the thinking and behavior of the Christians and pastors in this neighborhood on this issue.
Since I moved to Shaw in 2001, I have not seen the pastors and churches of DC mobilize about the tragic HIV infection rate in DC, or the horrible schools that dominate the lives of poor kids here. Rather, pastors marched for the right to continue to park illegally without getting a ticket on Sundays!
Jesus told his followers to go the extra mile with others. To do good to those that hate us. And right now in this specific issue, the church NEEDS to go the extra mile in this issue.
So what is the solution? I agree with comments above, that church members and pastors in Shaw need to park legally - starting this Sunday! And they also need to organize themselves for ride share, and rent shuttles, where churches that share the same block can collaborate together. And the church leaders and members need to drop the looks that shout, "I have been doing this since I was a teenager and I will continue to park illegally, and if you don't like it, get out of my neighborhood!"
The Biblical thing to do is to seek the peace of the city and to be a blessing to the city and the neighborhood. Not to look to talk among ourselves and seek to our own welfare.
The parking laws that are broken each Sunday trashes the name of Jesus each and every Sunday. If the church were to suddenly park legally and got organized in a way as to not be a burden on the neighbors, this will open doors for both churches and neighbors to come together and bless the neighborhood.
As it stands now, the churches in Shaw, who once stood firm in the horrible times in the past, are now seen by many as the problem keeping Shaw from becoming a world class neighborhood. This should not be...
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