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Two drivers pull weapons: A Silver Spring woman flashed a knife during a road rage incident on the Anacostia Freeway. A Virginia man then displayed a gun. Both were arrested. (Post)

Driver who hit cyclist takes plea: A driver caught on video intentionally hitting a cyclist and fleeing has accepted a plea deal for community service and anger management classes in exchange for having charges dropped. (WTOP) ... WashCycle asks, "What do you have to do to lose the right to drive in this town?"

Cheh wants safety not money: The New York Times uses DC as the centerpiece of an article on speed cameras nationwide. Mary Cheh says, "I know citizens sometimes don't believe this ... I don't want your money. I want you to stop speeding."

Brown is out: Michael Brown has ended his campaign to return to the DC Council in the April 23 special election. He says he won't endorse any other candidate. (City Paper) ... Greater Greater Washington has endorsed Elissa Silverman.

Only one brain cell open at BOE: The DC elections board will resend a postcard to all voters, at a cost of $30,000, after the initial one potentially misled voters to think there was only one polling place. The board's executive director assumed everyone knows that "vote centers" means "early voting centers" and not "polling places." (Post)

CaBi grows: Capital Bikeshare set new ridership records, plus more from daily members than annual ones. 48 more Capital Bikeshare stations will start being installed this week and 8-10 per week after that. There is funding for 20 more beyond that as well. (Post) ... Update: one went in today at 6th and Indiana.

Fewer new condos: New condo inventory in the region is down 20% since January. Only 1,000 new units are coming this year, most in Northern Virginia. Prices per square foot range from $175 in Loudoun/Prince William to $730 in central DC. (UrbanTurf)

And...: Marion Barry was hospitalized for low blood sugar (he's diabetic). (Post) ... Learn the history of Columbia Heights at a free lecture tonight. (PoP) ... Jack Evans proposes a tax break for jazz club Blues Alley to move. (WBJ)

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Nick Casey is a Project Manager at the Center for American Progress. He and his wife live in Takoma DC. Nick is originally from the west side of Cleveland and attended Denison University. His posts do not necessarily reflect the views of his employer.  

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I think the condo pipeline is being very distorted by financing. Yes, it is hard to get big condo developments financed. That is one reason we have 20,000 apartments coming.

Also, you're not measuring small (under 20) units there, no?

by charlie on Apr 3, 2013 8:36 am • linkreport

Another cyclist is maliciously struck, and the driver is let off with a slap on the wrist. This particular case is even more egregious, given that it was a hit and run and never would have been prosecuted had the cyclist not been wearing a camera. As I said last time, I'm not a proponent of lengthy incarceration, but at the very, very least a license suspicion and restitution is necessary. Instead he gets minimum community service (probably coaching his grandchild's softball game) and alcohol treatment (surely at the taxpayers expense given he's a retired cop on pensioners healthcare). Unbelievable.

by dcmike on Apr 3, 2013 8:49 am • linkreport

A bit off-topic from these Links but definitely a GGW topic. This, from NYT today:

"Pedestrians struck by cars are most often hit while in the crosswalk, with the signal on their side."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/nyregion/study-details-injuries-to-pedestrians-and-cyclists-in-new-york-city.html

by dc denizen on Apr 3, 2013 8:55 am • linkreport

RE: DCBOEE

What a dumb mistake. All they had to do was add two words to that one sentence: "early voting."

Read your stuff before you send it out!

by MLD on Apr 3, 2013 9:04 am • linkreport

The sentence for the cyclist attack is particularly egregious given the conversation that was recorded (this was a willful assault) and the fact that the guy lied about it initially. How can that not be a factor in the sentencing? What a travesty.

by John on Apr 3, 2013 9:04 am • linkreport

That driver should have gone to jail. That was assault... Full stop.

Brown dropping out is a tragedy. Absolutely. This means no more splitting of the W7 and W8 vote, and short of a progressive candidate or two dropping out, we are likely stuck with Bonds. Terrible terrible development.

by Kyle-W on Apr 3, 2013 9:15 am • linkreport

As the judge told me and my peers before handing me my liscense. Driving is a privelege not a right.

Otherwise, I'll just point to this when people ask why all the cyclists they see have no respect for the law and ask back why should they when the law isn't really going to help them?

by drumz on Apr 3, 2013 9:18 am • linkreport

Now GGW's endorsee for the DC Council At-Large may finish as high as fourth but maybe NOT. Order of finish prediction -- Mara, Bonds, Frumin, (Brown or Silverman). But since Brown's name remains on the ballot, she might actually finish BEHIND someone no longer in the race. A strategic choice ... but i just don't understand the game you think you are playing. Certainly, your panel of endorsers must NOT have been interested in influencing the outcome of this race, now, in the real world.

by Tom M on Apr 3, 2013 9:25 am • linkreport

Please don't delete this. Is Nick Casey new to GGW?

by selxic on Apr 3, 2013 9:30 am • linkreport

Note - I was browsing the classifieds (bored on the metro) and saw an item - City of Falls Church holding hearings on a new mixed use development at 301 West Broad - the site of the old Post Office. Googled, and there's a lot happening in Falls Church. In addition to the building currently UC on N Washington betweeen Broad and EFC metro, theres 310 West Broad, expected to have a Harris Teeter, and theres a proposal for a building at the site of the Saab dealer on S washington - and a rumor of a new building at broad and West, right by the W&OD very close to the WFC metro. Falls Church seems to be continuing to embrace urbanism in a big way.

by AWalkerInTheCity on Apr 3, 2013 9:37 am • linkreport

possession of a prohibited weapon, which the office confirmed was a knife.

You can't have knifes in DC? How do Washingtonians cut their fruits, bread and meat?

Also, you can't carry a gun in DC? I thought the Supreme Court threw that out?

"What do you have to do to lose the right to drive in this town?"

While I agree with the sentiment of that question, I actually think that the plea he entered is a worse punishment. If he had lost his driver's license, he'd still just have driven around without his license, with zero chance of being caught. Now he actually has to check off a number of boxes and spend considerable time on his assault.

New condo inventory in the region is down 20% since January.

Let's build some more. And without infinite delay through neighborhood protests please.

Marion Barry was hospitalized for low blood sugar (he's diabetic).

But apparently not taking proper care of it. Good thing he has employer/government supplied health insurance, unlike most of his constituents.

by Jasper on Apr 3, 2013 9:40 am • linkreport

The driver who struck the bicyclist and was let off with a slap on the wrist is an ex-cop, which makes the crime even worse in my book.

by Marian Berry on Apr 3, 2013 9:46 am • linkreport

crap, that is the last saab dealer in the area

by charlie on Apr 3, 2013 9:47 am • linkreport

@jasper, actually DC has a pretty low rate of people without insurance -- less than 10%.

You can thank medicaid/SSDI for that.

by charlie on Apr 3, 2013 9:48 am • linkreport

How many months supply of existing condo units are for sale?

by Juanita de Talmas on Apr 3, 2013 9:50 am • linkreport

re: WashCycle asks, "What do you have to do to lose the right to drive in this town?"

The mindset around the "right to drive" needs to change as driving is not a "right" like the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, it is a privilege that comes with responsibilities.

by Rob P III on Apr 3, 2013 9:50 am • linkreport

Jasper, you can carry a registered handgun in DC. The guns found in the Virginia driver's vehicle were not registered in DC. The handgun ban was struck down, but that does not mean everyone can just carry guns whenever they feel like it.

by Birdie on Apr 3, 2013 9:50 am • linkreport

Wow I really think there is a problem when they hand out licenses like candy in this country and are barely willing to revoke them after serious incidences of violence, drunk driving, and other dangerous behavior. This really needs to change. Even a six month suspension would probably change a lot of people's behavior. Bit of a tangent, but four girls in my high school were killed in South(?) Carolina when they were hit midday by a drunk driver that a judge had let stay on the road after multiple arrests.

by Alan B. on Apr 3, 2013 9:53 am • linkreport

AWalkerInTheCity, the Falls Church News-Press is a good source for this kind of thing: http://fcnp.com/

by Vicente Fox on Apr 3, 2013 9:56 am • linkreport

@Juanita de Talmas; great question.

Zillow lists 452 condos for sale in DC, and 619 single family houses.

by charlie on Apr 3, 2013 10:05 am • linkreport

Falls Church only came to this after Harris Teeter threatened to pull out after they were presented with yet another list of demands by a local NIMBY group in the city.

http://fcnp.com/2013/03/20/f-c-council-rushes-to-emergency-vote-to-keep-harris-teeter-from-cancelling/
http://fcnp.com/2013/03/18/f-c-council-passes-emergency-measure-to-advance-harris-teeter-plan/

FC is struggling with trying to keep tax rates down as the citizens there argue over allowing more commercial development or keeping the small town feel. Falls Church will likely have a property tax rate of about 1.35 or so, while Arlington across the border will have about 0.98 next year.

by Michael Perkins on Apr 3, 2013 10:08 am • linkreport

I was hit by a 54 year old drunk driver who had a license and insurance despite a lifetime of drunk driving charges against him. The "right to drive" culture is very persistent. Judges and juries are very reticent to take licenses away. My pet theory is that judges and members of juries feel that the person on the stand could be them. After all (is the reasoning in a person's head) I have a beer or two and drive sometime, or text while driving, or speed, or whatever. If I take this person's license away then it could be me next. Of course, this type of thinking has allowed for the forgiveness of many roadway sins and fostered the "right to drive" culture.

by dc denizen on Apr 3, 2013 10:08 am • linkreport

@Jasper, DC law makes two provisions for declaring a knife a prohibited weapon, neither of which stop us from slicing bread. First, switchblades are illegal, full stop. Second, almost anything that can be used as a weapon can be declared a prohibited weapon if it can be demonstrated that the item was carried with unlawful intent; given the difficulties that often arise when proving intent in practice, this charge is added to other charges to reflect an aggravating factor rather than brought by itself.

by cminus on Apr 3, 2013 10:10 am • linkreport

selxic,

Yes.

by Nick Casey on Apr 3, 2013 10:11 am • linkreport

We have 4 new links editors actually, who all volunteered to step in after Thaddeus Bell had to step down. I was meaning to do a post soon formally introducing them. Please welcome Nick, Jereme from yesterday, and Peter and Jordan later this week!

by David Alpert on Apr 3, 2013 10:14 am • linkreport

I'm struggling to understand the mentality of the knife wielder. So someone is honking at you or whatever, so you waive a knife? What sort of threat is that? If I'm the guy, I'd have to make a series of really poor decisions before that knife becomes a genuine threat.

Of course, in this case, that is exactly what the guy did. Although his response to the cops is ridiculous: "I thought she had a knife so I showed my gun". So basically: "we're both obviously stupid enough for this to end up in a face-to-face fight, so I needed to inform her that I would in fact be bringing my gun to this inevitable knife fight." It never crossed his testosterone-addled mind that maybe he ought to just slow down and let this crazy woman go.

Idiots, both of them.

by TM on Apr 3, 2013 10:23 am • linkreport

@ charlie: Good news, although I am not sure medicaid and SSDI amount to decent health insurance. It's better than nothing at least.

@ Birdie, cminus: Thanks for the clarification. Does the ban on switchblades cover pocket/utility knifes?

And, on second thought, my comment about Barry not taking care of himself was unnecessary. I don't know what his health problems are. Bad me.

by Jasper on Apr 3, 2013 10:24 am • linkreport

Michael P,

Sadly, you are mistaken on Arlington's RE tax rate next year is likely going to 1.021. See http://www.arlnow.com/2013/02/25/county-board-advertises-1-021-tax-rate/

That is over 5% increase from last year and only the 3rd time since 1980 the rate has been over $1.00. Yet, the county still keeps spending more money

by TBurger on Apr 3, 2013 10:26 am • linkreport

TM,

When they pull a knife, you pull a gun! That's the Chicago Virginia way!

by drumz on Apr 3, 2013 10:30 am • linkreport

@Birdie and @Jasper,

I'm afraid you're mistaken. DC code makes it a crime for civilians to carry guns outside of their homes or businesses for any reason except for transport.

by Michael Hamilton on Apr 3, 2013 10:43 am • linkreport

Didn't know about the cyclist/driver incident until now. But the incident alone doesn't seem enough reason to jail someone or revoke a license. While there could be more repercussions, the current "sentencing" doesn't seem all that bad.

I must say, the race will be very interesting now that Brown is officially out. I mean really, what if the "urbanists" much it up and split the vote once again. Surely won't be able to blame anyone else for that.

Did the Supreme Court rule in favor of allowing DC residents to carry guns...or just use them in homes?

Welcome to all the new GGW'rs. Center for American Progress and working for Hillary? *sigh* Welcome

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 10:48 am • linkreport

@ Hamilton:DC code makes it a crime for civilians to carry guns outside of their homes or businesses for any reason except for transport.

But then the dude could just argue that he was transporting his gun from home to work. And back. Every day.

by Jasper on Apr 3, 2013 10:49 am • linkreport

BTW, if it means opting for the largess of the Lincoln Theatre...Blues Alley should remain where it is. LT is just too large and takes away from the very "dive-like" ambiance of the G'town spot.

But then the dude could just argue that he was transporting his gun from home to work. And back. Every day.

And how exactly would that work? Since one lived in MAryland and the other VA. Seems strange to argue that a VA resident was transporting firearms illegally into DC for work reasons.

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 10:53 am • linkreport

Juanita, as of the end of February, there were 1.7 months of supply of existing condos in the metro area.

by William Rich on Apr 3, 2013 10:55 am • linkreport

Welcome Nick Casey. Thank you, David Alpert.

by selxic on Apr 3, 2013 10:56 am • linkreport

Ms. Cheh contradicts herself earlier in the same article:

"Resentment has been building in Washington since 2010, when the mayor at the time, Adrian M. Fenty, raised traffic fines as part of his efforts to balance the budget. The fine for driving 11 to 15 miles per hour over the speed limit went up to $125 from $50, for instance.

“He was very clever and assiduous about squeezing out items that weren’t technically taxes that he could use for revenue,” said Mary M. Cheh, a district councilwoman."

So, it would seem the government does want drivers' money after all.

by Chris S. on Apr 3, 2013 10:57 am • linkreport

@HogWash
Didn't know about the cyclist/driver incident until now. But the incident alone doesn't seem enough reason to jail someone or revoke a license.

Uhh, the driver intentionally veered into the person bicycling, not sure what you can call that other than assault. It is the same when someone intentionally rams another car trying to cause a crash.

by MLD on Apr 3, 2013 11:00 am • linkreport

Didn't know about the cyclist/driver incident until now. But the incident alone doesn't seem enough reason to jail someone or revoke a license. While there could be more repercussions, the current "sentencing" doesn't seem all that bad.

He used his car as a weapon to try and kill someone. If he did the same thing with a gun or knife and there was video evidence he'd definitely be facing jail time.

by drumz on Apr 3, 2013 11:01 am • linkreport

there were 1.7 months of supply of existing condos in the metro area.

Wow. That's pretty tight.

Thanks for the info, charlie and William Rich.

by Juanita de Talmas on Apr 3, 2013 11:03 am • linkreport

Well sure but all that only matters if you think a cyclists life has as much value as a drivers and we all know that's silly.

by Alan B. on Apr 3, 2013 11:10 am • linkreport

@Chris S., Cheh isn't Fenty. Whether Fenty wanted the money or not says nothing about whether Cheh does; she said Fenty was clever about generating additional revenues without raising taxes, not that he was right to do so. There are lots of ideas I don't support that I'd nevertheless have to call "clever".

by cminus on Apr 3, 2013 11:27 am • linkreport

Uhh, the driver intentionally veered into the person bicycling, not sure what you can call that other than assault. It is the same when someone intentionally rams another car trying to cause a crash

The article is clear on that so I understand it. I'm just not sure if someone who intentionally rear ends another car would be jailed or have their license revoked. I could be wrong though.

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 11:34 am • linkreport

@Jasper, folding or retractable knives that don't open automatically are fine. Unless carried with unlawful intent, anyway.

by cminus on Apr 3, 2013 11:39 am • linkreport

@Hogwash There's a world of different between someone who intentionally uses their car to hit another car (with all the safety features built in there), and someone who intentionally uses their car to hit a cyclist. The risk of injury or death is exponentionally greater for the cyclist and thus, for many of us, such an act would seem to demand a stronger response from the government than would (or should) happen with a car-to-car incident.

by Moose on Apr 3, 2013 11:41 am • linkreport

People can certainly be arrested for reckless driving. Assault and battery also seems to be implied in a case where you are trying to knock down a bicyclist or worse. Pretty sure it comes down to intentionality and the fact that there was evidence to that effect. If you could likewise prove it with two automobiles I'm sure the person could be charged.

by Alan B. on Apr 3, 2013 11:43 am • linkreport

@HogWash
I'm just not sure if someone who intentionally rear ends another car would be jailed or have their license revoked. I could be wrong though.

Respectfully, I think you should reconsider your position. Three news articles from the past few months about people intentionally ramming another car and facing charges of assault, reckless endangerment, etc.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/woman-22-says-men-intentionally-rammed-her-car-sev/nW6F8/
http://articles.mcall.com/2013-01-15/news/mc-c-allentown-hit-run-assault-20130115_1_allentown-communications-center-allentown-police-ridge-and-gordon-streets
http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Tulsa_man_arrested_after_police_say_he_intentionally/20121201_450_0_atulsa854300

Do you think someone should get away with a few hours of community service if they hit you in the head with a brick, or pistol-whipped you while you were walking down the street, or beat you with a bat just for the hell of it? Because I don't see the difference between any of those and intentionally hitting someone with your car.

by MLD on Apr 3, 2013 11:45 am • linkreport

@Jasper & @cminus, I would imagine that DC follows the Federal Governments definition of a switchblade:

(b) The term “switchblade knife” means any knife having a blade which opens automatically—
(1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife, or
(2) by operation of inertia, gravity, or both.

From http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1241

by Thad on Apr 3, 2013 11:47 am • linkreport

@cminus - Sure, if Cheh's position has evolved on this issue since 2011, that's a different story. If she is planning to use this unwanted revenue for charitable donations (after operating expenses of course) I think that's great. There's a lot of organizations in the DC area that could use the funds.

by Chris S. on Apr 3, 2013 11:55 am • linkreport

The risk of injury or death is exponentionally greater for the cyclist and thus, for many of us, such an act would seem to demand a stronger response from the government than would (or should) happen with a car-to-car incident.

You're right..it is. I don't know what laws are in place to deal w/stuff like this. For instance, if a cyclist rams down a pedestrian (who is injured but not hospitalized), is she arrested or charged w/reckless endangerment. "Should" she be arrested because she's operating what "could" be a deadly weapon? I don't really know the answer to that.

Do you think someone should get away with a few hours of community service if they hit you in the head with a brick, or pistol-whipped you while you were walking down the street, or beat you with a bat just for the hell of it?

No.

Because I don't see the difference between any of those and intentionally hitting someone with your car.

Oh ok.

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 12:02 pm • linkreport

"For instance, if a cyclist rams down a pedestrian (who is injured but not hospitalized), is she arrested or charged w/reckless endangerment. "Should" she be arrested because she's operating what "could" be a deadly weapon? I don't really know the answer to that."

is the ramming intentional in this hypothetical?

by AWalkerInTheCity on Apr 3, 2013 12:10 pm • linkreport

Didn't know about the cyclist/driver incident until now. But the incident alone doesn't seem enough reason to jail someone or revoke a license. While there could be more repercussions, the current "sentencing" doesn't seem all that bad.

[Deleted for violating the comment policy.]

The driver has two lanes available to him on either side of the cyclist. The smart move is using the completely empty lane to the cyclists' left to safely pass. The day is clear and sunny, there are no visibility issues. The cyclist has taken central position in the middle lane (the right lane has parked vehicles). The driver drives up to the cyclist, in his lane and says "You better move your genius ass to the fucking right". The cyclist says "excuse me". The driver replies "You heard me..." then immediately swerves into the cyclist.
To quote Billy Madison, "That's assault brotha!" To quote @Kyle-W "That was assault... Full stop."

[Deleted for violating the comment policy.] Quite a number of drivers don't understand even the most basic motoring laws.

by thump on Apr 3, 2013 12:18 pm • linkreport

is the ramming intentional in this hypothetical?

Take your pick or just consider both.

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 12:27 pm • linkreport

HW

If someone on a bike intentionally rams a pedestrian thats assault, and definitely warrants arrest, IMO.

by AWalkerInTheCity on Apr 3, 2013 12:29 pm • linkreport

Take your pick or just consider both.

If it was intentional or reckless then yes they should be charged.

I don't really think it matters what mode of vehicle you're operating, if you intentionally hit someone or attempt to run them off the road that's reckless endangerment at a minimum and likely assault.

by MLD on Apr 3, 2013 12:32 pm • linkreport

If you intentionally run down someone with your bike, of course you go to jail.....

Is it worse that he hit him with a car then a bike? I would say certainly yes.

Intentionally hitting someone with a car vs a bike is the same to me as hitting someone with a tire iron, or with your fist.

If you hit someone with a tire iron in the head, you are going to prison for a felony, if you hit someone with your fist, it is going to be some sort of simple assault, and likely a misdemeanor. Same should apply here.

by Kyle-W on Apr 3, 2013 12:36 pm • linkreport

Question: To what extent do car vs. cyclist/pedestrian collisions affect car insurance rates? Is the penalty the same as for a car to car collision? (as one would suppose)

by Chris S. on Apr 3, 2013 12:37 pm • linkreport

@jasper, there are requirements for transporting guns through DC that include it being unloaded. Not saying it's a good law, but I think that guy is in some real trouble.

by Michael Hamilton on Apr 3, 2013 12:39 pm • linkreport

The Heller decisions applies in the home. It would be reasonable to read it as applying to protecting yourself in the immediate vicinity, but not carrying it around the city.

Of course, if you want to kill someone, use a car.

by SJE on Apr 3, 2013 12:49 pm • linkreport

A strategic choice ... but i just don't understand the game you think you are playing.

Tom M, in your scenario that means you think that GGW should endorse either Mara or Bonds. Do you really think one of those two represents the goals of this blog?

Besides, how confident are you that your list is accurate? There's no polling out.

by David C on Apr 3, 2013 1:03 pm • linkreport

@ Hamilton: there are requirements for transporting guns through DC that include it being unloaded. Not saying it's a good law, but I think that guy is in some real trouble.

I hope he's in trouble. As far as I am concerned guns would be banned period. But, there being a second amendment and stuff, I am trying to understand what the laws are.

As for guns having to be unloaded, I find that a useless exercise. When someone points a gun at someone, that person generally is not in a position to determine whether the gun is loaded or not, and will assume it is.

@ Thad: Thanks for the update. I am learning a lot here today.

by Jasper on Apr 3, 2013 1:24 pm • linkreport

@Chris S., where are you getting Cheh's 2011 position from? I didn't see anything in the NYT article to that effect.

by cminus on Apr 3, 2013 1:24 pm • linkreport

@ David C.
GGW endorsed Mara the last time he ran for at large, so I suppose they do think he could support the goals of this blog. I've been vacillating between Silverman and Mara myself, but am leaning towards Mara. I think there is value to diversity of thought on the council and Mr. Mara strikes me as a reasonable voice. He's an avowed biker and mass transit user and hasn't owned a car years, so I think he shares the same transit philosphy as those on this site.

by I. Rex on Apr 3, 2013 1:33 pm • linkreport

@ David C. Frankly, I don't think GGW has a solid understanding of DC politics or even how to build an effective, productive coalition on the issues it sees as most important to these readers and this region. I do think a wise approach would have been to seek a range of concessions/position alignment from the candidates with a chance of winning. At least do so BEFORE endorsing someone that experience and even a cursory review of voting patterns/behavior in Our Fair City suggests has two chances of winning the at-large seat - nil and slim. Yes, that's my opinion. And i don't have a fortune from my google stock. But i have been a close observer and combatant in DC politics for thiry years. On occassion, I've been wrong. But i'll stack MY track record against GGW's anytime. Care to make a wager if you are so confident?

by Tom M on Apr 3, 2013 1:40 pm • linkreport

I hope we learn more about the prosecution's thinking in the vehicular assault case captured by the cyclist's helmet camera.

Specifically: Will there be an allocution when the plea is entered? Maybe we need to provide the prosecutor with a few questions to ask for the allocution. And certainly anything less than a full allocution is unacceptable.

If the driver provides a full and honest allocution, I'd say justice will probably be done. If not, then the community service is irrelevant and the case should proceed to trial.

by Jim Titus on Apr 3, 2013 2:12 pm • linkreport

Care to make a wager if you are so confident?

I don't recall expressing any confidence. In fact, I thought I was clearly expressing doubt. But, I'll bet your predicted finish (1.Mara 2.Bonds 3.Frumin 4.Brown or Silverman) is wrong. How much do you want to bet?

by David C on Apr 3, 2013 2:19 pm • linkreport

If someone on a bike intentionally rams a pedestrian thats assault, and definitely warrants arrest, IMO.

After reviewing the video, I would have to agree. Sheesh!

by HogWash on Apr 3, 2013 2:22 pm • linkreport

@ David C. 10 points for top spot right, six points for second spot right, 4 points for third spot right and one points for fourth spot. Most points wins. Show your three or four picks and I'll suggest a bet amount.

by Tom M on Apr 3, 2013 2:38 pm • linkreport

I suggest you do it more like a horse race, so you get your points for your #3 guess if that person comes in 1, 2, or 3.

by Jim Titus on Apr 3, 2013 2:45 pm • linkreport

Tom M, you're backpedaling now.

You're the one who put up the predicted finish list. You're the one that's "been a close observer and combatant in DC politics for thiry years". You're the one who wanted to bet. Stand behind your initial claim that you know what's going to happen or don't, but right now it looks like you're losing your backbone.

by David C on Apr 3, 2013 2:51 pm • linkreport

Tom M originally said: "But I'll stack MY track record against GGW's anytime" which is one list against another.

Then you counteroffered with an up-or-down bet on his list. But he misconstrued that as you taking him up on his original list.

You could use the same point system with an up-or-down bet. In effect, he would be the bettor and you would be the track, with Tom M needing 11 points to win which he would get, for example by correctly picking the candidate who wins, and one of the candidates who shows.

by JimT on Apr 3, 2013 3:40 pm • linkreport

I mean "But he misconstrued that as you taking him up on his offer to bet."

by JimT on Apr 3, 2013 3:41 pm • linkreport

JimT, that is not an accurate history of events.

1. He made a list of predicted outcomes - a list on which his entire criticism of GGW's endorsement lies (which ignores the possible purposes of endorsements and varying philosophies on the subject but I'm getting off track)

2. I asked how he was sure his list was right.

3. He said that he has 30 years experience and HE challenged me to bet.

4. I took this to mean he was betting that his list was right - since that was the only list we had. Not that it was better than a list that I might create but as of yet had not. [How you or he got that I would compete, I'm unclear.] I agreed to bet against his list.

5. He then wanted to change it into a competition. Hence, he backpedaled.

by David C on Apr 3, 2013 3:50 pm • linkreport

@ David - Since you are being intentionally obtuse, I'll bet that I'm right abou the top three spots and the order thereof. What do i win from you if those are all correct?

by Tom M on Apr 3, 2013 5:07 pm • linkreport

What confidence. One further question: Have they legalized online betting in DC?

by JimT on Apr 3, 2013 6:21 pm • linkreport

@David C: TomM said "But I'll stack MY track record against GGW's anytime. Care to make a wager if you are so confident?"

I read that as meaning that he was offering a head to head contest between his bracket and yours. But I came to this late--too late to discuss allocution I guess, and if he made an offer to bet before that then maybe he made two separate offers. But it seems like an innocent misunderstanding to me which is moot.

by JimT on Apr 3, 2013 6:27 pm • linkreport

If you're going to call me obtuse, at least give me the benefit of being unintentionally so. Is it even possible to be intentionally obtuse? How can one intentionally fail to understand?

Anyway, let's put a large pizza on the line. If you're top three (note that originally you had picked the top four, but whatever) are right in order, I'll have one delivered to you. If wrong you have one delivered to me.

JimT "TomM said "But I'll stack MY track record against GGW's anytime. Care to make a wager if you are so confident?""

If he's talking about his track record, that's the past, not the future. So that doesn't really match up with your reading.

by David C on Apr 3, 2013 9:29 pm • linkreport

That begs the age-old question: When a careless reader (me) and a careful reader (you) reads something that was carelessly written, which reader is more likely to read it correctly? It seems moot now.

But the (barely) more serious question remains: Have they legalized internet gambling in DC? You would not want to make GGW an instrumentality of illegal gambling.

If legality is unknown, the time-honored solution is that the loser pays $100 to the charity specified by the winner.

by JimT on Apr 4, 2013 8:52 am • linkreport

I believe that gambling is only illegal if the house takes a cut.

by David C on Apr 4, 2013 8:57 am • linkreport

@ David C --[Deleted for violating the comment policy.] As to the wager, I picked the following in my first post above -- Mara, Bonds, Frumin and (Silverman or Brown). I interpret that as fuzzy on the order of finish between silverman and brown. In fact, in the text i said ms. silverman MAY finish as high as fourth in the field. So, large pizza to you if the top three finishers are not in the order I list here. Large pizza to me if they do. This is not betting as a game of chance that might or might not be precluded by the laws of this Fair City and Fine Homeland. Rather it is a game of skill and not chance. No purchase necessary. Void where prohibited...

by Tom M on Apr 4, 2013 10:38 am • linkreport

Tom M, you can contact me at davidc@ggwash.org.

by David C on Apr 24, 2013 9:37 am • linkreport

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