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Need to pick up a UPS package? The car-free are out of luck

Reader Nacim B. sent along his frustrating experience trying to visit UPS' Landover warehouse as a car-free resident.


Photo by hn3000 on Flickr.

I came home one day to find a final delivery notice from UPS (I swear I never saw the other two!) and then was instructed by their website that my only option is to pick it up from their Landover warehouse.

I checked Google Maps, and while I saw that it was a ways out from where I live in Columbia Heights, I also noticed that it was pretty close to the New Carrollton Metro (I don't have a car) and I don't mind walking. I didn't find out until I got there that portions of the walk have no sidewalks, and one portion in particular is literally only passable if you run through car lanes.

The entire trip one-way took me about an hour and a half, and Google tells me it takes about 25 minutes by car.

The intersection of Ardwick Ardmore Road and Pennsy Drive is the real problem. There is no sidewalk on the approach from the east, just a desire path. There's also no crosswalk despite the slip lane.

The northern southbound lane of Pennsy Drive. is now widened so the western shoulder is now nowhere near the intersection. The eastern shoulder narrows down into nothingness and faces a very dangerous blind corner behind a tree from motorists turning from Ardwick.

There is literally no way to cross this intersection either legally or safely. I had to run across the northern portion and tried to be as visible as possible to turning traffic.

This is what the intersection looks like coming in from Pennsy Drive:


Photos by the author.

And here's what that blind corner looks like:

Looking more closely on Google Maps afterward, I could've improved my walk a bit by going on the sidewalk on Garden City Drive, but that would've only avoided me the shoulder on Pennsy Drive. The real issue is how impassable the above intersection is to pedestrians.

I'm not sure what UPS expects from people without a vehicle. FedEx's warehouse is at the intersection of Florida and New York Avenues in DC, a destination that's very transit-accessible and easily bikeable and walkable. Given how remote the UPS warehouse is, a reasonable solution would allow package recipients the option of picking up their missed packages from their nearby UPS location. That would've saved me about 3 hours today along with some serious risk from automotive traffic.

The last picture isn't as bad in the scheme of things, but it's illustrative. It's the entrance to the UPS warehouse that has the sidewalk completely fenced off.

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Next time tell UPS that you didn't get the other two notices. Sometimes drivers will lie, saying they made delivery attempts when they didn't, so they can finish their route in time. Raise hell. Works for me. Never had to go to Landover.

by Steve on Jul 18, 2013 3:44 pm • linkreport

That's crazy. I think you can arrange to pick up USPS packages at local offices at least that's what I've done in the past.

Had a similar issue trying to cross an intersection at Van Dorn St in Alexandria. To get to a crosswalk I would have had to walk approximately 1/2 a mile out of my way. It's crazy that so many roads don't even have basic pedestrian access.

by Alan B. on Jul 18, 2013 3:46 pm • linkreport

Arggh! I can't imagine trying to get there without a car.

Little-known fact (as in, they don't advertise this on their website): If you get one of those 'missed-delivery' notices, AND IF you go online in the magic interval between getting the notice and when the delivery truck returns to the Landover location and starts to unload all its undelivered packages, and on their website you indicate that you want your package held for pickup, then you can go out to the Landover location between 8pm and 9pm and pick up your package same-day. If you don't go online and tell them to hold it, it will go into the resorting system and, frustratingly, they have no way of finding it. The lines can be long and don't move particularly fast, but you can get your package.

And as intimidating as the walk to the Landover location is in the day, I don't think I'd ever attempt to try it in the evening.

by thm on Jul 18, 2013 3:46 pm • linkreport

You are correct, Nacim B., that the FedEx HQ is transit friendly, but depending on who is in the guard station that day, FedEx sometimes is not. I have sent people to pick up a package for me on a bike, and they were told that only people in cars can get past the security gate and into the office to pick up the package (and of course other times the security guard had no problem sending a bike through).

UPS's location is a doozy.

by trulee_pist on Jul 18, 2013 3:46 pm • linkreport

UPS is terrible

They consistently fail to retry delivery.

Their tracking is bad.

They lose packages, sometimes for weeks sometimes forever.

The worst is when they just pass things off to USPS. IE someone paid for priority shipping, UPS gets it within your neighborhood in a under 50 hours and then they hand it to USPS to deliver the last mile because they are lazy and USPS takes another 3 days to make delivery.

by Richard B on Jul 18, 2013 3:51 pm • linkreport

ZipCar.

Even with a car, getting to UPS in Landover, on time, is no joke. Don't get there too early or the truck won't be back yet. Don't get there too late or the gate will be locked.

In my old neighborhood, I had to go out there for every delivery. In my new neighborhood, the drivers leave the packages on the porch, no matter the weather. Can't decide which I prefer least.

by microT on Jul 18, 2013 3:52 pm • linkreport

But yes, part of the reason that New Carlton hasn't been developed better is the roads out there are completely hierarchical and the place is nearly unwalk-able.

by Richard B on Jul 18, 2013 3:54 pm • linkreport

As mentioned, simply have it re-routed to the local store for pickup. In CH, you can have it dropped at the FedEx/Kinkos on 14th.

by John on Jul 18, 2013 3:57 pm • linkreport

One advantage of FedEx - you can have your package rerouted to a FedEx store where they will hold it for a day or two. This costs nothing extra. With UPS you have to have a mailbox at a UPS store to do this.

Second, what this really shows is a problem with Google Maps. I'm not sure why it thinks your route is better - in fact, it doesn't even let you plan to walk down Garden City Drive! Too bad it's not easier to fix these things.

by MLD on Jul 18, 2013 4:03 pm • linkreport

I had this experience a few months ago when my neighborhood must have gotten a new UPS delivery person and he didn't know the few folks in my building that are always around to buzz deliverers in. Upon getting that notice on my door, I attempted to reason with UPS and get it shipped to a UPS store, or really, anywhere else. I offered to pay even more money to ship it somewhere else. They refused.

That blind corner you picture is terrifying. I tried to listen for cars coming around the corner, said a quick prayer and sprinted across the 2 road lanes (read: high-speed ramp) as fast as I could. Turns out, there was a line of cars not 50 feet away coming at me at approximately 45 mph. I made it in one piece, but I worry about others who aren't as running-inclined.

by Nick C on Jul 18, 2013 4:04 pm • linkreport

I feel your pain. This rigamarole has kept me from a lot of amazon.com purchases, which is maybe for the best. And FYI folks, I've tried to have my UPS packages re-routed to a local store many times (for an extra $5 on top of shipping fees) and not once has the process worked. They just say, nope, not available for this package, no reason.

by Annie on Jul 18, 2013 4:04 pm • linkreport

As mentioned, simply have it re-routed to the local store for pickup. In CH, you can have it dropped at the FedEx/Kinkos on 14th.

Not if it's a UPS package, you can't...

by MLD on Jul 18, 2013 4:05 pm • linkreport

Wow, so the moral of this story is apparently avoid UPS at all costs!

by Alan B. on Jul 18, 2013 4:08 pm • linkreport

As has been said, getting to UPS by car is no fun either. Plus once you get to the facility, the customer service is horrible. Christmas season? Forget it.

But... for $5 per package you can have the package delivered to any UPS store and held there. You can also subscribe to that service for an entire year for a small fee (less than actually renting a mailbox at the UPS store). Remember, UPS stores are not owned by UPS, and in fact, the owners of those stores don't generally like UPS (most started out as Mailboxes Etc) so using this $5 service will not get you a lot of smiles from them (they feel like UPS is undercutting their mailbox business and they are often not afraid to tell you this).

Now, the absolute worst is Fedex Ground. Fedex Ground is also not owned by Fedex. Each territory is an independent franchise. This means that generally Fedex Ground packages can't be held at the NY Ave Fedex office (or any other Fedex Office) and in many cases, your package stays on the truck until delivered, even if the driver takes the truck home with him at the end of the day. If you do manage to convince them to let you pick up your package, you are sent to a warehouse in Beltsville where you literally dodge forklifts while someone tries to find your package.

Amazon and the Postal Service are each piloting automated pick-up kiosks. I don't think any are in DC. I know Amazon has a few within 7-11s in Arlington and the USPS has one in College Park. Not great options, but better than Landover or Beltsville.

by dcdriver on Jul 18, 2013 4:09 pm • linkreport

It's interesting to hear that for many people in DC, FedEx is the better choice - it must depend on where you live. Here in SW, I HATE getting packages from FedEx - FedEx will leave packages on the front door of my busy street, meaning that packages from FedEx are often stolen.

UPS, on the other hand, always gets a signature, ensuring that I actually get my packages, and their customer service has always been adequate, even if trying to get to talk to a person at the MD sorting facility is difficult.

If I could, I'd ensure all my packages came via UPS.

by Bill on Jul 18, 2013 4:12 pm • linkreport

Looking at Google Streetview, there are actually more sidewalks in that area than I would have guessed, but oddly, none that connect to the Metro station a half mile away, which in some aspects is worse than if there were no sidewalks at all. That intersection is no picnic to navigate in a car though, either. Last time I tried I ended up 50 eastbound instead of the New Carrollton Metro Station. Not as much of a safety issue, but just another reason to completely rework the transportation network in that vicinity.

For what it's worth, it looks like you could have also taken the F14 bus and been dropped off right in front of UPS or taken the F12 from Landover or New Carrollton and had a short walk with sidewalks the whole way.

by Ted on Jul 18, 2013 4:19 pm • linkreport

Richard B, whenever someone tried to use the "government sucks, private sector is perfect" argument, I ask them if they order things from the internet.

USPS shipping arrived. Ive never had to call the post office, ever.

UPS, Fedex? Ive called them a bunch of time because they say they delivered when they didnt, it was delivered to my neighbor, its three days late....

by JJJJJ on Jul 18, 2013 4:20 pm • linkreport

My wife had a car-free hassle with USPS. She was checking her business' PO box at the post office by Rhode Island Avenue. To pick it up, she had to leave the main counter and go around the building to the loading dock. (This is not due to the size of the mail involved, but seems to just be the way the standard procedures for this post office.) But the security guard refused to allow her to enter the loading area on foot. She had to hail a taxi and have the cab drive her inside.

by Gavin on Jul 18, 2013 4:25 pm • linkreport

"whenever someone tried to use the "government sucks, private sector is perfect" argument, I ask them if they order things from the internet."

You do know that FedEx is who is actually handling those packages from USPS, right? And any regular mail that is faster than first class?

by Another Nick on Jul 18, 2013 4:31 pm • linkreport

buy a used Vespa that is street legal.... problem solved

by sw,dc is the best nhood n dc on Jul 18, 2013 4:31 pm • linkreport

I've had the misfortune of dealing with the Landover facility far too many times. They can't quite seem to get the whole "please leave the package behind the bushes." They refuse. One person told me I live in the ghetto. Another time they refused to deliver, demanded a signature (even though it's was a no signature required delivery) and then wanted me to pay a change fee to have it sent to my office 2 miles away. Worst had to be Christmas one year, when they not only refused to drop the package as instructed on the 23rd, but then "forgot" to put it on the truck the 24th. They had zero interest in correcting their mistake. Was told they'd deliver on the 27th. Had to borrow a car and schelp out to Landover on Christmas Eve. Fun times. (after a lot of arguing with corporate, I was reimbursed my overnight shipping charge and mileage to drive to get my package)

Lesson learned: I have everything shipped to the office. Not that it helps. Once, UPS lost a package completely. Filed a lost package claim, the whole shebang. 3 months later, the package arrives with nary a word from UPS.

by Birdie on Jul 18, 2013 4:32 pm • linkreport

My wife had a car-free hassle with USPS. She was checking her business' PO box at the post office by Rhode Island Avenue. To pick it up, she had to leave the main counter and go around the building to the loading dock. (This is not due to the size of the mail involved, but seems to just be the way the standard procedures for this post office.) But the security guard refused to allow her to enter the loading area on foot. She had to hail a taxi and have the cab drive her inside.

LOL this is Orwellian.

by MLD on Jul 18, 2013 4:33 pm • linkreport

The F14 Metrobus from New Carrollton station (in the direction of the Naylor Road station) drops off pretty much right in front of the UPS building.

by Scoot on Jul 18, 2013 4:49 pm • linkreport

I am really not sure why there is a problem here.

You ask "I'm not sure what UPS expects from people without a vehicle".

Well, they expect you to be around the three times you are expecting a package, or to make arrangements to have it shipped elsewhere.

The UPS Store in Columbia Heights charges a $5 dollar fee to get your package routed there for you to pic up at your leisure, an option that is far and above better in every way that a carless person spending 3 hours of their live going out to no mans land to a warehouse.

You mention FedEx has a conveient one at the New York Ave stop, which is the epitome of anti-urbanist ideals. Acres of parking lots serviceing a large warehouse right next to a metro stop. How anti TOD can you be? As a heads up, FedEx has had a couple unsolicited offers for their land, which will likely get redeveloped with the Union Market land. Point is, it wasn't put there to be transit friendly.

Why are large distribution centers like this out in the middle of nowhere? Because they need large facilities and the land is cheap. Why would they locate such a facility downtown, requiring exponentially more money (which is then passed on to you) to accomodate the occasional person who didn't plan ahead, and who doesn't have a car?

You live in Columbia Heights. Next time, pay the 5 bucks and save yourself 3 hours and what amounted to a lot of frustration.

by UPS on Jul 18, 2013 5:15 pm • linkreport

Buy local?

by Cephas on Jul 18, 2013 5:18 pm • linkreport

"Well, they expect you to be around the three times you are expecting a package, or to make arrangements to have it shipped elsewhere."

That might be more reasonable if they could at least give you an estimate of when it might arrive. I worked from home one day a few weeks ago so I could receive a package, but was paranoid to even use the bathroom because I didn't want to miss the doorbell and the best delivery estimate they could give me was "between 9 AM and 7 PM." Fortunately it came around 11 so I didn't have to wait too long. UPS is famous for using very efficient routing algorithms that avoid left turns, so I find it inconceivable that they can't narrow down their delivery time to less than a 10 hour window. Or you know, they could do Saturday delivery like every other shipping service.

by Ted on Jul 18, 2013 5:29 pm • linkreport

I had UPS leave a case of wine at my door.
I was supposed to have to sign for it.
I was supposed to be carded to make sure I wasn't 17.
But after the UPS guy lugged it to my door he decided it was easier to just break the law and leave it there.

From my experience with mailboxes etc. their customer service wasn't great before they were taken over by UPS, which couldn't have helped.

by Richard B on Jul 18, 2013 5:46 pm • linkreport

I agree with "UPS" that FedEx's New York Ave distribution center is not exactly the epitome of good urbanism.

In 10 years it'll probably be condos anyway.

by Scoot on Jul 18, 2013 6:24 pm • linkreport

I work out there, and have had to go to the Landover office to pick up packages on occasion. I also bike to work when I can, and the entire area is horrible for bicyclists and pedestrians. I see plenty of car-less and bike-less pedestrians around, though, looking like they're walking to their jobs in the rest of the food manufacturing / delivery&shipping / truck maintenance businesses in the area.

My suggestion? Have deliveries sent to your office. Talk to your boss and building receptionist (if you have one) to make sure it's ok. This a) prevents a package from sitting on your porch / mailroom / hallway and b) prevents trips to Landover UPS office.

by Jake M on Jul 18, 2013 6:25 pm • linkreport

US parcel post delivers to your door, and if a signature is required but you aren't there, will hold it at the local post office -- usually much closer than UPS in Landover or FedEx at NY & Florida.

by goldfish on Jul 18, 2013 6:40 pm • linkreport

Assuming you did not willingly select UPS in the first place - what happens if you simply let the package make its sorry way back to the sender and teach them a lesson?

by Turnip on Jul 18, 2013 7:20 pm • linkreport

I don't know why they didn't just leave it in the nearest bike lane. Don't they own all the bike lanes?

by David C on Jul 18, 2013 7:40 pm • linkreport

I had a very similar experience trying to get to the MVA in Beltsville Maryland from College Park. The bus only took me part of the way and so I walked the rest. Route 1 as you get outside of the Beltway lacks sidewalks for several stretches. A few such locations occur on bridges where the road shoulder narrows to only a foot or so. It amazed me how hard it was to get a car if you don't already have one!

by Brian on Jul 19, 2013 12:04 am • linkreport

"You do know that FedEx is who is actually handling those packages from USPS, right?"

That is only true for a small number of packages. I used to work at the USPS Suburban Annex in Gaithersburg that processes all incoming/outgoing packages for the DC area. All outgoing packages that need to go on a plane (priority packages going to the west coast + international packages) are shipped to the FedEx terminal at Dulles, as the USPS doesn't own a fleet of planes. When the plane lands, the packages are picked up by the USPS and sent to the local sorting facility.

All other packages are shipped by USPS truckers.

by Ciderbarrel on Jul 19, 2013 1:38 am • linkreport

(expat living in Frankfurt)
DHL has a great solution for those of us who are car free, at least in Germany, called PackStation. Positioned around the city are large parcel machines. They have all sizes and shapes of compartments, to hold most normal shipments. They are usually located near major transport hubs, and are open 24x7 making their usage awesome.
When I receive a shipment, DLH sends me an sms with a code. I go to the PackStation enter the code and a door opens with my parcel !!

Perhaps UPS/USPS can get something like PackStation started in the States.

by jeff on Jul 19, 2013 4:49 am • linkreport

I see why Google Maps doesn't direct pedestrians from the New Carrollton Metro station along Garden City Drive to Ardwick Ardmore Road to the UPS parking lot (that entire route is fully sidewalked). It does this for driving but not walking directions. All because of the one way portion of GC Dr. under US-50 going towards AA Rd. which for some reason is shown incorrectly as a freeway ramp which usually (but not always!) bans pedestrians. I don't know if that portion of GC Dr. even needs to be one-way.

Google Maps is full of quirks like this, and yes, I'd submit this instance as an error that should be fixed.

by DaveG on Jul 19, 2013 6:11 am • linkreport

I always chose US Postal Service if I have a choice. The Post Office is in my neighborhood---let's keep it there.

by Carol Casperson on Jul 19, 2013 6:30 am • linkreport

@Carol Casperson: there's a reason USPS is insolvent...

by Mike on Jul 19, 2013 8:10 am • linkreport

Good luck getting to the Springfield UPS as well. Although, you could hop on the rush-hour only Fairfax Connector 372...


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I wills say though, that it is not UPS' job to be easily reachable for car-free people. Their job is to move packages are cheaply as possible. Their business model is entirely car-dependent. It is in their interest to be at a location that is car-friendly.

As mentioned above, you can become a member of Zipcar of Car2Go and get yourself a car for occasions like this.

by Jasper on Jul 19, 2013 9:04 am • linkreport

Jasper: I'd say it's not UPS's job to be easily reachable for car-free people, but it is Prince George's County's and Maryland's job to design its roads with sidewalks and safe crossings. The issue isn't that the warehouse is in Landover, but the design of the roads in Landover.

by David Alpert on Jul 19, 2013 9:13 am • linkreport

What this also tells me is that FedEx and UPS need to be more up-front about what your options are for getting packages if you can't get them at home. Rerouting, alternate delivery options, etc. should be more obvious.

by MLD on Jul 19, 2013 9:14 am • linkreport

My girlfriend had a temporary job in Landover. Fortunately she was able to use my car, otherwise she would have ended up flattened on a highway someday. It's amazing how pedestrian-unfriendly things get when you venture just a bit out into the suburbs. Situations like these make me glad I held onto my car when I moved to DC.

by SE DC on Jul 19, 2013 9:56 am • linkreport

@Mike, yes, and it has to do with mandatory overprovision for future pension obligations.

by cminus on Jul 19, 2013 10:01 am • linkreport

For carless urbanites, Amazon now has a box delivery option, with the goal being to have same day delivery as it expands its distribution network. This is their acknowledgment that if the internet sales tax loophole is eliminated so that costs are the same and their customers would have to choose between "get it today" at the big box store vs. waiting for the UPS truck, they need to be playing the "get it today" game.

So in my Amazon account, I have the choice of getting my package delivered a block from my office.
Amazon Locker - Coreen Map
4223 Fairfax Dr
Located in 7-Eleven
Arlington, VA 22203-1606
United States

Check it out.

by Steve Seelig on Jul 19, 2013 10:16 am • linkreport

I have no shortage of loathing for UPS in the DC area... inaccessible pickup facility (which itself is a horrid experience if you make it there), they charge to pickup at local stores, they never use my doorcode even after repeatedly telling them to do so both via phone and website... well, I could go on, but the short of it: any retailer who send me a package via UPS will invariably get it back :)

by Bossi on Jul 19, 2013 10:51 am • linkreport

I make this walk frequently to get to/from the Ryder service center whenever our leased van needs its preventative maintenance (4 times/year), and it's always awful. Taking Garden City Dr. at least gives you a sidewalk the entire way, though it involves 5 harrowing crossings (only 2 of which have crosswalks). I agree with scoot that the bus helps, but because I try to time my visits out of rush hour, the bus is almost never there when I am. It wouldn't even take much infrastructure to improve things--better sightlines for drivers and pedestrians, button-activated lights, some paint--but I can also imagine that everyone who works there drives and so demand is probably nonexistent.

by Daniel H on Jul 19, 2013 11:18 am • linkreport

I will echo the comments about Fed Ex just dumping stuff at your door. We have signed up for UPS My Choice. You get an email when a package is coming and then you have can have it left at the UPS Store. It may not work for everyone but it has been a great experience for us. Well worth the $50 a year.

by Ben C on Jul 19, 2013 1:17 pm • linkreport

yep, I had this same experience while living in Columbia Heights too. they refused to deliver to nearby UPS store, so I made this exact trip. glad to see the issue getting some attention, maybe UPS will be shamed into fixing the problem.

by Micah on Jul 19, 2013 2:25 pm • linkreport

While I completely understand this writer's frustration, I find it odd that the perspective is how the location made one person's life difficult rather than looking at how the lack of sidewalks impacts those in that neighborhood.

by Emm on Jul 19, 2013 5:27 pm • linkreport

Sign up for UPS My Choice service. Whenever a package addressd to you enters their sysem, you get an email. You can have it redirected to any ups store for $5.

by jsm on Jul 20, 2013 1:15 am • linkreport

Author here. It's really more PG County's fault for having an intersection that's impossible for pedestrians to cross safely or legally. This is particularly odd given the proximity to a transit stop, even a terminus one. But given the inaccessibility, it'd be nice (but fanciful thinking) for UPS to acknowledge the issue and offer workarounds for its less-motorized customers.

I don't happen to have a car share membership of any kind, and an infrequent visit to Landover wouldn't warrant it. I wouldn't praise the FedEx facility as an example of good urbanism, but it's still FAR more accessible than the UPS location. Had the package been of lower value, I would be inclined to jettison it in the future since the trip is so costly in time and risk.

Google Maps could have had better directions but that's a negligible improvement compared to the impassibility of the intersection.

by Nacim on Jul 20, 2013 2:21 am • linkreport

This is why I support USPS they are in my neighborhood.

I have went to this UPS location as well as the Fedex location in Beltsville via bus i'll be damned if im gonna walk that distance. I planned the whole thing out via WMATA site and caught whatever bus I saw to either a Metro station or somewhere I could transfer to another bus to take me to where I was going.

I love The Fedex Express location on Eckington been going there for years to pickup packages bus the Metro Station was there all you had to do was take a 90/92 or 80/P6 and walk.

Everybody complaining about Fedex & UPS must have never been to the DHL facility in Rockville. Try that one its a bitch to get to. You take a 50 something Ride On from Rockville get off walk about 2 miles down hill then 1/2 mile up a windy hill. I saw a deer carcass and skunk while walking there. What made it worst I was only going there to pick up a sim card (this was before cell phones were very popular)

by kk on Jul 20, 2013 2:50 am • linkreport

I don't happen to have a car share membership of any kind, and an infrequent visit to Landover wouldn't warrant it.

Maybe this blog post shows that sometimes it is warranted?

by Scoot on Jul 22, 2013 10:57 am • linkreport

Car2go is constantly offering free memberships! I think if you are a Bikeshare member they have some deal on for a free membership and driving time right now as well.

by MLD on Jul 22, 2013 11:01 am • linkreport

While I completely understand this writer's frustration, I find it odd that the perspective is how the location made one person's life difficult rather than looking at how the lack of sidewalks impacts those in that neighborhood.

Have you ever been out there? There is no neighborhood. Not a single person lives anywhere near that area. It is entirely made up of large warehouses that are serviced by tractor trailers (like the UPS facility). The only infrastructure needed in that area is the ability to get trucks quickly onto and off of the Route 50 and the Beltway.

All those people living the DC need things. And those things have to get here on trucks, not bikes, or scooters, or street cars or car shares or any other fantasy-mode. Trucks. Big trucks that need highways to connect the DC area with the rest of the country. Investing even $1 in anything other than the highway infrastructure in that area is money wasted. Turning the Ardwick-Ardomore road area into some sort of urbanist utopia will drive all those warehouses (and their tax revenue and jobs) to another more accessible location.

by dcdriver on Jul 22, 2013 1:24 pm • linkreport

dcdriver -
Yes, the area is built around trucking and transportation related industries. Bakeries, 8'OClock Coffee, WMATA hub, bus service, bus training, trainyards, etc. are all out there, and require road infrastructure.

However, all of these areas are close to Landover and New Carrolton Metros, and I'd bet that a fair number of employees take the metro and walk the rest of the way (I have seen a fair bit of foot traffic here). So, making an intersection safe for pedestrians would still be beneficial, so long as it's still navigable by tractor trailers.

Also, the pavement out there gets rutted pretty quickly with all the heavy equipment use... terrible for bicycling.

by Jake M on Jul 22, 2013 1:42 pm • linkreport

@ MLD

You assume everyone has a license, which is not true what about those who don't have a license at all or can not drive.

by kk on Jul 23, 2013 10:56 am • linkreport

@dcdriver

Troll harder.

People obviously still need to get there (and get basically everywhere). Not all the people have cars. All anyone's asking is that it be possible to walk somewhere without risking death.

by MetroDerp on Jul 24, 2013 9:56 am • linkreport

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