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H Street to get replacement for eyesore strip mall

Historic row houses and other old buildings line most of H Street, NE, though with periodic interruptions where more recent modifications have scarred the building fabric such as Meads Row. But one block is all scar: the south side of H between 8th and 10th Streets, which has a one-story, generic strip mall with parking in front, ironically named the H Street Connection.

This isn't appropriate for a major, developing, urban commercial corridor that's slated for a streetcar. Fortunately, developer Rappaport Companies is moving ahead with a Planned Unit Development, designed by Torti Gallas and Partners, to construct a retail and residential mixed-use building on the block conaining 409 apartments and 50,000 square feet of retail.



Top: H Street Connection mall today. Image from Google Street View. Bottom: Development plans. Image from Torti Gallas and Partners. Click on an image to enlarge.

The community requested that more of the building's massing concentrate to the rear of the block, giving it a lower feel along H Street to better match the existing row houses. It also uses a "sawtooth" pattern, like many other recent buildings in DC, to make the structure read like multiple buildings. Except for the corner structure at 8th and H (pictured above), most of the building will use a masonry facade with a traditional look.

The current plans maintain the existing curb cuts on 8th and 10th behind the building, and locate the garage ramps in that alley. (It's not clear if it's a public alley or part of the private property.) Some neighbors have recommended an entrance on H instead. Today, there's a vehicular entrance there, opposite 9th Street, which ends at the site. Given that this is already an intersection, that makes some sense, but it'd still create a better pedestrian and streetcar experience for cars to come in and out using the much less busy side streets.


Ground-floor plans. Image from Torti Gallas and Partners.

The garage will contain 520 spaces, of which 170 will be public. This is much more than zoning requires; if the streetcar were already here, it wouldn't make sense to build so many, but at the moment attracting people to H Street often requires facilitating car storage, and Rappaport should be free to build the spaces it thinks the market demands. However, the community shouldn't push for even more parking spaces as one of their public amenities under the PUD process, as some have suggested.

Other potential community benefits (MS Word) that have come up in neighborhood discussions include Zipcar spaces, a bike sharing station, LEED certification, grants to improve facades on the opposite side of H, funding for an H Street historic survey, or a public toilet to dissuade people from going in the alleys. Those all sound reasonable, and better than even more parking in a project that has plenty for every resident, lots of shoppers, and even some neighbors.

ANCs 6C and 6A split the H Street corridor, and 6C Commissioner Ryan Velasco has written a report about improving the community benefits that come from PUDs. He's also very closely involved with the neighborhood's negotiations on this project. Even though DC hasn't yet made any of the reforms Velasco suggested, hopefully the community can negotiate a good benefits package and let this project reconnect the giant gap created by the H Street Connection.

David Alpert is the Founder and Editor-in-Chief of Greater Greater Washington and Greater Greater Education. He worked as a Product Manager for Google for six years and has lived in the Boston, San Francisco, and New York metro areas in addition to Washington, DC. He loves the area which is, in many ways, greater than those others, and wants to see it become even greater. 

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This is a no-brainer, but I have to admit, one late cold, snowy winter night I drove to that very Rite Aid because it was the only one open that had what my wife urgently needed and I was glad to be able to park right next to the front door. If the developers put a pet store with good fish supplies in the ground floor then all will be forgiven :)

by Ward 1 Guy on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 pm • linkreport

Good stuff.

by цarьchitect on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 pm • linkreport

Definatley a template for what should be happening all over town, whether Tenleytown, Silver Spring, or downtown. The architects are also great at doing good infill that's pleasant to look at with out doing the starchitect jig. Just not sure why the glass building peels away from the street wall?

by Thayer-D on Sep 17, 2009 12:58 pm • linkreport

So is this actually happening or is it just the 'current plan'? I like it.

by NikolasM on Sep 17, 2009 1:01 pm • linkreport

I was wondering about the curved end as well. TG have a good record with making streets work well, but I don't see what's going on here.

by цarьchitect on Sep 17, 2009 1:10 pm • linkreport

Yup, Torti Gallas' firm is fantastic. Whenever I see his firm is designing a project, I relax, as it's almost always great.

by Joey on Sep 17, 2009 1:20 pm • linkreport

Hopefully it is pulled off well. Honestly, the architecture is a bit boring IMO, maybe something more unique and different, although I don't know what exactly, would be better. But it's still a lot better than what's there. I do think that the older-style strip mall with a row or two of parking, that you see in many densely populated US cities, is better than the newer stuff.

by Vik on Sep 17, 2009 1:22 pm • linkreport

Who's going to live in these condos? Seriously.

I see tons of newly built condos in the NoMa area that are mostly empty. The Senate Square building behind Union Station also looks mostly empty. Another big residential building on (I think) K and 3rd St NE is currently under construction. And of course, the Stadium area has hundreds of empty units waiting for someone to buy or rent them.

How are developers getting financing for building hundreds of new units, when there are thousands of vacant units languishing?

by Fritz on Sep 17, 2009 1:37 pm • linkreport

i'm going to third the question about the curving wall at 8th and H. i think it would be much better staying parallel to H street, continuing the building's relationship with the street, instead of peeling back.

someone needs to put them in touch with the folks who built DCUSA, who could hopefully knock some sense into them RE: parking needs.

by IMGoph on Sep 17, 2009 1:46 pm • linkreport

Booorrrinnng. I've said it many times; successful architects in this city are successful because they know how to design projects that allow them to leapfrog past the paper pushers. This looks exactly like everything else built in the last five-seven years in the city.

I'm really happy with the infill, but I just don't understand why it has to be at the expense of diversity in design.

by JTS on Sep 17, 2009 1:47 pm • linkreport

Are we (DC Government) paying for the parking? No? Good. When the streetcar comes in, they can be the example for the rest of 'em.

by Michael Perkins on Sep 17, 2009 1:50 pm • linkreport

@Fritz -

Don't equate condo sales with housing demand. There's more to housing demand than just *for-sale* housing demand. Furthermore, these units won't be on the market for another 3 years or so at the earliest - I think it's safe to say that the market will probably look different then.

@JTS -

Who cares if it's boring? It's the fabric of the city. Not everything needs to be a monument.

@IMGoph -

I'll third (fourth?) the question on the curved wall.

by Alex B. on Sep 17, 2009 1:58 pm • linkreport

Also, I keep hearing all of these developers talk about installing a bike share station. I'm pretty sure DDOT is going to have to figure out the future of SmartBikeDC before any of them actually commit dollars to a station. It sounds like developers are serious, though, which is another good argument for Bixi, which is so easy to expand.

by JTS on Sep 17, 2009 1:59 pm • linkreport

If they put a restaurant there it would make for some good outdoor seating space. Otherwise it is a waste of square footage.

by NikolasM on Sep 17, 2009 2:01 pm • linkreport

yep - I think the idea for the curve is to give extra room for some outdoor seating. These renderings show the design in more detail:

http://anc6a.org/HstConnectionReplaceDesign.pdf

by DG-rad on Sep 17, 2009 2:15 pm • linkreport

this is a good idea- but extremely boring design and typical cheap-looking flat rooftops that will no doubt have lots of exposed utility junk on them.

Why can't the "architects" design a corner tower , turett, dome, or spire of some kind to allieviate the repetition of the walls?

These people are good about considering the urban fabric- which is in dire need of repair- but they totally drop the ball in terms of any imagination.

This is so damn typical of the same bland -looking crap you see all over U street and Arlington. It doesn't have to be a monument to be well done.

Why not a little bit of architectural sculpture or coloristic effects? We are supposed to be the wealthiest nation in the histroy of the planet and we cannot even come close to what real architects did 75 years ago.

I doubt that any of these bland- minded conformist "architects" could even build a decent looking "monument" if they tried.

by w on Sep 17, 2009 2:18 pm • linkreport

+1 on w. I pretty much want to see fewer bricks and more color, sometimes. that's it. not looking for a monument or a frank gehry on every corner.

by JTS on Sep 17, 2009 2:24 pm • linkreport

There's no spire or tower because of the way DC zoning works. The zoning limits this building to 90 feet, except for a mechanical penthouse which has to be set back from the edge. This building is 90 feet.

If they made it lower but kept the same size, then more of the bulk would have to be closer to the street, which isn't what neighbors wanted. Therefore, it steps back somewhat, but has to suddenly stop at a flat roof once it gets to 90.

DC doesn't have pointy buildings because the focus on height limitations precludes them. We could have a zoning code that allows small bits of buildings to surpass the limit, but we don't now.

by David Alpert on Sep 17, 2009 2:29 pm • linkreport

David

sorry but you are incorrect on this.
Spires and turetts are permitted in DC to go higher than the allowed floor limits.

This has been done numerous times- notably the double towers on Franklin Square.

Also- DC does not have as many interesting buildings such as these -not because of zoning regulations- but because many of these buildings had their towers, turetts, domes or spires removed in the period from the late 1940's thru the early 1960's as insurance companies would not cover the costs for these since many times they were left to decay or good craftsmen could not be had to maintain them.

To say that DC always had flat rooftops is not accurate at all. What we see here now does not necessarily mean it was always this way.

Another example- the Sun Building on F Street NW- which is considered by some architectural historians to be the worlds oldest true skyscraper[ it has the oldest working elevator in the world and it also is a very early example of steel framing ] had it's finial removed in the 1950's for insurance purposes.

Even if the zoning laws did not allow this kind of detailing- they should be amended or thrown out as these kinds of rules are completely ridiculous . The modern flat roof is a product of the petrochemical industry and it was not seen as we have them now until after the US Civil War when cheap products for flat roofing became available. Look at old photographs of American cities from before 1860 and you do not see flat rooftops .

by w on Sep 17, 2009 2:48 pm • linkreport

@w

You're right about the height limit, but the height limit and the zoning code are two different things. The height limit allows turrets. Zoning can be and often is more restrictive than the congressional height limit.

by Alex B. on Sep 17, 2009 2:54 pm • linkreport

sorry about my posting getting repeated- there seems to be trouble trying to post comments on this site- that stupid spam blocker where you must type in the distorted words in the little box was not accepting what I entered.

Please delete the extra postings !!!

by w on Sep 17, 2009 3:00 pm • linkreport

Done. Sorry about the spam verifier — some people are definitely trying to spam GGW, and this blocks the vast majority of it. If you check the "save my name and email address" box at the bottom, not only won't you have to enter your name and email address next time, but you won't have to answer the CAPTCHAs anymore.

by David Alpert on Sep 17, 2009 3:03 pm • linkreport

I think the watercolors DG-Rad linked to are quite colorful. I guess we'll need to wait and see.

by NikolasM on Sep 17, 2009 3:07 pm • linkreport

DG-Rad,
Thanks for the link. The extra images make it clearer.
Looks good. Nothing wrong with the curve. Maintaining the street wall is good, but its nice to have variation and some breathing room. The use shown in the rendering is good.

by spookiness on Sep 17, 2009 3:07 pm • linkreport

I can't believe you losers. Someone is willing to invest in some trashy part of the town, and your first reaction is to play the smug-online-architecture-critic role.

'meh, it's so boring and______'

by MPC on Sep 17, 2009 3:14 pm • linkreport

Who knew there were so many architecture critics in DC?

by Hill Rat on Sep 17, 2009 3:19 pm • linkreport

mpc: first of all, it's not a "trashy" part of town. there are a LOT of people who are investing in a part of the city that has been neglected for far too long. it's nice to see your concern trolling, though.

there's absolutely nothing wrong with a little constructive criticism. i guarantee you that all these commenters are happy to see this plan going forward.

by IMGoph on Sep 17, 2009 3:20 pm • linkreport

For once, I'm with MPC. If you want 37 pieces of flair, why don't you just make that the rule.

by Michael Perkins on Sep 17, 2009 3:21 pm • linkreport

settling for second or third best , in terms of design, got us what they are now going to have to tear down in the first place.

Too often we settle for whatever /whomever willing to invest in an area- w/o considering the merits or demerits.

Look at that awful crummy and horribly designed Home Depot over by Rhode Island Avenue- sure we need retailers like this in the city- but why did it have to be done in such an absent minded manner- a total let -down and atrocious usage of a transit site that should have had much higer density- eventually the owners or the city will see the folly of this and tear it down and start over again.Just like on H street.

This project is a good start- but why does it have to repeat the same mistakes that are being done that are so obvious and easy to spot?
We don't want to have to tear this down in 30 years when the USA finally comes around to the notion/reality that more traditional architecture works better and lasts longer, looks better , too.

Just like traditional cities and towns- they feel better, look better, last longer, and are just BETTER.

by w on Sep 17, 2009 3:23 pm • linkreport

Has no one commented on the stabbing that happened there yesterday?

http://frozentropics.blogspot.com/2009/09/girls-stab-subway-employee-8th-h.html

by Tom A. on Sep 17, 2009 3:25 pm • linkreport

now wait a minute, w. there's a big difference between arguing about design (facade, materials, etc.) and layout (suburban parking lot in the home depot example you use and this building, which clearly fits into the urban fabric).

don't conflate the two.

by IMGoph on Sep 17, 2009 3:25 pm • linkreport

True, there could be a tower or dome of sorts at that corner, but at some point one has to restrain one's aesthetic firepower when a site just dosen't call for it or else risk trivializing what are really beautiful architectural moments when done right.

As for flat roofed buildings, when you look at most Renaissance pallazi in Italy (our architectural forefathers), they all read as flat topped buildings as the roof silhouette was deemed a gaudy medieval relic aesthetically, so to blame the the petrochemical industry might be a stretch, especially since it wasn't as evolved in the 1870's as it is today.

The architecture is definatley safe, but that is more a product of both the sites unmonumental character and of our architectural schools consistently advocating modernism. Torti Gallas just gives them what they want, which is descent traditional urban fabric buildings whether they be modernist or art deco as in Columbia Heights. In other words, when most architects are instructed to produce a traditional design, as thankfully Torti and company do, the lack of a sophisticated training in traditional design vocabulary means that what gets produced might be a little flat. But when you really look at it, so are most fabric buildings in Georgetown or Mount Pleasant. The street scape as a whole ought to take precidence over single buildings for the most part.

Maybe my expectations have been lowered from block after block of mind numbing modernist boxes or in your face starchitect moves, but I'm thankful for a bit of color, texture, and rythem as a back drop to urban life.

by Thayer-D on Sep 17, 2009 3:27 pm • linkreport

W, you're comparing this project to your standard, big box Home Depot?

Ooooookay.

by Alex B. on Sep 17, 2009 3:28 pm • linkreport

Alex B

tone it down dude- I WAS NOT saying this is like the Home Depot- you are trying to pick a fight where there is none.

I was merely pointing out the laziness of the city and the developers who obviously settled on the fastest possible solution . This project on H street is 20 times better than the RI avenue disaster .

Actually, I was going to say that one of the best things going for this is that retail is being considered. Too much of our neighborhood retail has been allowed to be turned into a total suburban residential area in the historic areas of Capitol Hill- a bad bad way of looking at urban fabric. Too often these old fogie "preservationist" people fight exactly this kind of project.These people need to get into their cars and leave DC. They are more concerned with parking lots than history or preservation.

The CHRS- for instance- has fought against the new streetcars for H street- despite the fact that this city was built up around the streetcar corridors. Mom and pop retail is also historic. This new project is just what the doctor ordered and will jump start this neglected street.
density and retail mix is key here.

I just get sick of the same Malibu beach roof deck excuse for ornament and architecture that is so damn common in new buildings.

by w on Sep 17, 2009 3:45 pm • linkreport

Well, I'm not with MPC. I don't think there's anything wrong with respectfully criticizing the design of a new building or development, no matter where it is. Most people acknowledge that it's better than what's currently there, but would hope that something with more character would be built, or at least something that we haven't seen a thousand times already. That corridor already has some interesting architecture even if some of it isn't in very good condition. U St. has a good mix and variety, so I'm hoping this will be a similar situation.

by Vik on Sep 17, 2009 4:00 pm • linkreport

Thayer, Torti Gallas employs graduates of Notre Dame and Miami in addition to people who simply want to do traditional architecture and have studied it in practice... you know, where you learn most architectural technique.

Torti Gallas is a commercial firm that does commercial buildings. They build to the bottom line, so they make work that is attractive and generally pleasing in the most cost-effective way possible. Complex wall profiles are expensive and require good craftsmen. End of story.

As for the modern=boxy/traditional=not boxy, just take a look around and you can see that's not consistently, or even generally true. Same with the flat roof thing. Flat roofs are a common feature of Mediterranean architecture that was imported by people trained in Greco-Roman tradition.

And w, don't tell anyone to calm down when you're suggesting that people who have dedicated their lives to the intricate, difficult work of designing buildings are not real architects. If you want to dislike modern architecture, go ahead, but don't piss on the profession.

by цarьchitect on Sep 17, 2009 4:08 pm • linkreport

They better not even think of moving the X2 & 90/92 bus stops because there is no where for them to go and be a convenient transfer spot as they are now; they better build around.

Cant we get something straight first anyplace with a row of stores regardless of parking is defined as a strip mall; most may have parking lots but that does not change that even without one a place that is a row of stores is a strip mall.

Will there atleast be a Pharmacy there which is extremely useful or will it be a set of stores that residents and people who usually stop there not use like in other areas.

As long as there is still a pharmacy chain and either McDonald's or Subway i'm fine with it; whether or not your agree with fast food does not matter it matters what the residents around there care about.

Actually it is appropriate why is it been til now for anyone to decide to build it was not appropriate they would not be making money and it would have been gone.

There are many places where there are streetcars and have strip malls and they seem to work out just fine. Just because it may not be ok in DC does not make it inapporiate; if there were no strip malls there would be also no retail in many areas.

So how long will construction leave the area without a pharmacy or fast food if it doesnt effect you so what your not the locals of the area.

I guarantee that all of the community benefits wont happen.

by KK on Sep 17, 2009 4:29 pm • linkreport

Uberarchitect or whoever you are

DON'T LECTURE ME.

by w on Sep 17, 2009 4:50 pm • linkreport

öarüchitect, I'm not sure I would equate "building to the bottom line" as being synonymous with bland architecture...see Chicago School at the turn of the (last) century. As for "Complex wall profiles are expensive and require good craftsmen. End of story." Again, not sure you need complex wall profiles to produce interesting architecture. There is such a thing as proportion and the play between solid and void, to say nothing about massing, but to each his own.

I guess all I was trying to say is these Torti Gallas designs are no more bland (in the pejorative sense) than most older fabric buildings of the city.

Interesting to know they hire from those two schools though. Might have something to do with their success in these regards..."End of story"

by Thayer-D on Sep 17, 2009 4:52 pm • linkreport

Wait, is the detailing unsophisticated because they hire from trad schools, or is it good because they do?

Again, not sure you need complex wall profiles to produce interesting architecture. There is such a thing as proportion and the play between solid and void, to say nothing about massing, but to each his own.

Well yes, but most of those elements of architecture result in complex facades that require more materials, more labor, and more time. Many of the standard condos built these days have good massing and good proportion (I think), but still are boxy. Torti Gallas are definitely heading in a different direction, but the attitude at the firm is to produce pleasant buildings that are inexpensive.

In a hard labor market and with more complicated buildings than in 1890 this is one outcome. Where they've had bigger budgets, they've done better.

by цarьchitect on Sep 17, 2009 5:23 pm • linkreport

Putting in a public bathroom as a means of keeping people from peeing in alleys results in a bathroom used (and carefully kept after) by the people who currently pee in alleys. I have to imagine it would be a nightmare 3 months after opening...

..also, what about the people who currently drive down from Philly to stand outside the Rite Aid with the megaphone and Santa-on-a-noose screaming threats at 100% of white people abd about 25% of black people who walk by?

by WOV on Sep 17, 2009 5:31 pm • linkreport

I like the peel-back on the corner for a good number of reasons.

1. 8th & H is the main hub intersection on H and this gives the sidewalk some room and creates a bit of sense of place and a little plaza.

2. Provides room for outdoor seating -- for a restaurant of cafe in the plans.

3. The slightly art-deco look of that part is a nice reference to the Atlas Theater that comes further down.

4. Creates a bit of a transformation between the more residential West side to the more commercial East side of H.

5. Breaks up the monotony of what will be a very large building.

Overall, a big thumbs-up for these plans. A transformative development for H street.

by Nobody on Sep 17, 2009 5:46 pm • linkreport

I am glad to see an improved use of this space. I do wish, however, that today's architects could consider SOME level of creative ornamentation on the facade of this building that makes it distinctive or commemorates a sense of place and time. Look at Amy Weinstein's work on Capitol Hill - its memorable, notable, creative - - and makes affordable use of repetition and variation. I bet the architect(s) to this project wished he/she/they could be more creative, but the higher-ups probably refuse.

by Carmichaela on Sep 17, 2009 6:52 pm • linkreport

WOV, those guys have been gone for a year now at least.

by Blah on Sep 17, 2009 7:18 pm • linkreport

I could care less about the architecture. Hooray for density and one less strip mall in a developing (and formerly depressed) corridor.

Pity about all the parking spaces, though.

by Gavin Baker on Sep 17, 2009 8:01 pm • linkreport

KK,

I live in the area and I *never* eat at McDonald's or Subway, so I don't think it's fair for you to overgeneralize what every resident in the area wants.

I also doubt that they will move the stops for the X2 and the 90 buses because that intersection is indeed a heavily used transit intersection. They didn't move the bus stops at 7th and H NW when the Gallery Place/Chinatown renovation happened either, so I doubt they'll change anything here.

by soul searcher on Sep 17, 2009 8:52 pm • linkreport

Czarchitect, I think you're being a bit defensive (because people on this blog get to say things about modernism that would be heretic in architecture schools). I don't think I said the detailing was unsophisticated as much as "what gets produced might be a little flat". And it's the site that's not screeming for being overwrought as much as the lack of a sophisticated training by the architects. Are Torti and Gallas graduates of either school you know absolutely populate that firm? I actually like the buildings
just as I do most fabric buildings in Georgetown or Mount Pleasant, it's just that they're safe, a much needed value in schools which continually push the lone genius model.

"Well yes, but most of those elements of architecture result in complex facades that require more materials, more labor, and more time" Not true at all. Just look at the quietly elegant Hammond Harwood House in Annapolis. Complex and elegant are not sinonymous.

"Many of the standard condos built these days have good massing and good proportion (I think), but still are boxy"

If boxy isn't a description of massing then I'm really missing something.

"but the attitude at the firm is to produce pleasant buildings that are inexpensive."

I don't know of one firm who's attitude is to produce expensive buildings, and I love that some people still think being pleasant is a good thing. It might not get you on the cover of a starchitectural periodical, but that is exactly what so many people people would like...think of the pedestrian a little more and one's ego a little less.

by Thayer-D on Sep 18, 2009 7:52 am • linkreport

Thayer, I can think for myself. Please stop blaming my opinions on architecture school. I get defensive because people say outrageous and insulting things. Just because I defend a handful of celebrity architects doesn't mean I worship them.

These buildings are fine. Not great, a little flat, but good for the background. I feel like we're going in circles.

by цarьchitect on Sep 18, 2009 8:22 am • linkreport

these units won't be on the market for another 3 years or so at the earliest - I think it's safe to say that the market will probably look different then.

It'll look different alright. More supply and even less demand.

by Karl on Sep 18, 2009 9:45 am • linkreport

I'd like to bring up a point that has been touched on, but overlooked for the most part in favor of talking about aesthetics.

This design isn't only lacking in architectural style, but also in urban massing. Yes, it fills in the space, but does it fill in the space in an appropriate manner? H Street's identity is not the same as that of Mass Ave, or 14th and 16th Streets. Traditionally, it's store fronts were owned by small businesses. In the last five years, that identity has started to return.

H Street doesn't need a big box condo building (we have two going up on the NE and NW sides of K and 3rd already). What it does need is smart urban planning and design that will bring more businesses that operate during the day. Restaurants and bars are great, but I'd hate to see H become Adam's Morgan.

I'm all for development, but I question the way it will occur.

by bp on Sep 18, 2009 11:16 am • linkreport

bp: i don't want to be too much of a jerk here, but when people trot out the "next adams (note: there is no apostrophe) morgan" argument, my eyes glaze over and i stop paying attention.

seriously, adams morgan is a 2-3 block area of dense bar-and-restaurant development. h street is 12 blocks or so long. to come even close to something approximating adams morgan, you'd have to have hundreds of new bars. in a word, notgonnahappen.

by IMGoph on Sep 18, 2009 11:28 am • linkreport

I don't think it was your comment that made you sound like a jerk, it was your grammatical correction.

I understand that it wouldn't/couldn't happen. My point is that the scale of what is being proposed is not appropriate to context that surrounds it. Develop the site, but do it in a way that can enhance the surrounding neighborhood, rather start down the road to another architectually boring corridor. DC has enough of that.

by bp on Sep 18, 2009 11:37 am • linkreport

bp: sorry you feel that way. guess it's impossible to point out someone's mistakes without that being the case. c'est la vie.

by IMGoph on Sep 18, 2009 11:39 am • linkreport

I'm curious as to what phase of history determines a neighborhood's character? I've read that there used to be a 10+ story hotel at 13th and U but now neighbors claim that a nine story hotel would be out of line with the neighborhood's "character".

by Steve on Sep 18, 2009 12:06 pm • linkreport

These buildings are fine. Not great, a little flat, but good for the background.

Agreed. These buildings are fine. They aren't landmarks, but you don't want every building to be a landmark. If every building were a landmark the city would be a cluttered mess, and the whole concept of "landmark" would be meaningless. For landmarks to work, there has to be a context of vernacular buildings that make up most of the city's population of normal day-to-day buildings. You want your vernacular context to be functionally urban, well-massed, and have enough detailing to keep you interested. This buildings looks to accomplish all those goals. If it's not quite up to the same standard in details that vernacular buildings achieved 100 years ago, at least it's not offensively anti-urban or minimalist in the way that many buildings from the last century were.

All in all: This land use at this location isn't appropriate for a landmark anyway, so contextual vernacular is the correct approach, and these are perfectly fine vernacular buildings.

by BeyondDC on Sep 18, 2009 12:07 pm • linkreport

@bp

If I'm hearing you correctly, you're concerned about a couple of things - 1) density and massing, 2) small storefronts and small businesses, and 3) types of retail.

1) This is the perfect place to add density. Long term, H street will see the streetcar (sooner rather than later, hopefully). It's a city, and H street is a primary commercial corridor for this area. I don't understand when you say this isn't urban massing - I think it's very urban in its massing. I don't think the height is inappropriate at all.

2) Small storefronts are great, but remember that this development will replace a strip mall. It's also worth noting that the small storefronts are a relic of older times and older land development practices. It's not economically feasible to buy this lot, subdivide it into 20-25 foot wide parcels and let individual developers build on each one, as happened when the street originally developed. The economics, codes, construction methods, etc don't support that any longer, for better or for worse.

What we can do, however, is deal with the consequences. I think this design attempts to do that - the variations in the facade mimic the kind of texture you'd find in a row of narrow commercial buildings. I can only surmise from the renderings, but it looks as if the architects do a good job of keeping the rhythm of the retail spaces, lobbies, etc in the style of a classic urban retail street.

A direct replication of the past is not feasible, nor desirable. What I see here is an understanding of the principles that make those spaces desirable, and application of those principles in a modern development framework.

3) Retail types: The Adams Morgan bit is indeed overplayed. The reality (as discussed on this site earlier with U street and Cleveland Park) is that you need a different kind of catchment area for retail - a neighborhood can support bars and restaurants, but shopping during the day requires a different focus.

It's also worth noting that daytime shopping and nighttime bars can and do use the exact same kinds of spaces. This is a programmatic issue - I don't think it changes the type of retail space you build here very much. What's important is that the retail space is flexible - so it can be subdivided into many small shops, or combined together to house a business with a larger space requirement. The type of business, however, is primarily a programmatic, not a physical issue.

by Alex B. on Sep 18, 2009 12:14 pm • linkreport

@steve

"out of character" is code for "I don't want it." You know what's out of character? A suburban strip mall in the middle of H St NE.

by Alex B. on Sep 18, 2009 12:20 pm • linkreport

I can't believe you losers. Someone is willing to invest in some trashy part of the town, and your first reaction is to play the smug-online-architecture-critic role.

Ironic, as you're showing the same short-sightedness that brought us the "H Street Connection" in the first place.

After all, while that corridor may be lined with half-million dollar row houses, I see folks litter. Why not build a lead-smelting plant? We certainly can't afford to be picky.

by ibc on Sep 18, 2009 2:55 pm • linkreport

@ soul searcher

"I also doubt that they will move the stops for the X2 and the 90 buses because that intersection is indeed a heavily used transit intersection. They didn't move the bus stops at 7th and H NW when the Gallery Place/Chinatown renovation happened either, so I doubt they'll change anything here."

Yes the hell they did;

the stop in front of the CVS was moved a few weeks ago due to the arch renovations

the X2,80 & P6 bus stop eastbound was moved several times back and forth actually. it was originally directly in front of the escalators then was moved across the street where the fudruckers is then moved back to where the church is and then moved over to near suntrust.

The 70 northbound bus stop was originally a few feet from the corner of 7th and H then it was moved to in front of the CVS than a few feet further up and then back to where it was minus a few feet south of original location

by kk on Sep 18, 2009 4:10 pm • linkreport

This such great constructions of Washington may attracts tourists.

by fabric buildings on Sep 19, 2009 7:43 am • linkreport

Great. Another "iconic" design that looks like every other new building in the District with glass front and the perfunctory curving element. The first 50 or 100 of those were cool and mod and probably better fit their neighborhoods. We're doing what we did in the 60s-70s with the massive conrete neo-brutalist designs for the Downtown government buildings. How about something truly unique here? I would think the streetcar and fluted shaft lampposts should inspire something more traditional for this corridor. OK, maybe that's not "unique," but it might better fit the character of the adjoining neighborhoods. Sorry to be such a wet blanket on progress--I guess some are never satisfied. Once the trees grow in, I'm sure it will be fine.

by TrafficJam on Sep 20, 2009 8:21 am • linkreport

Very boring. It's a lot like the U Street architecture around 13th. Yes there are condo's and very bad restaurants like Tara Thai and Alero. P street between 14th and 15th? Columbia Heights? Blocks and blocks of Massachusetts Ave? They all look the same. Although I admit to liking both Commonwealth and Comissary. This has been done. Not necessarily badly, but please try something else. Go for Rococco or something.

- living in the shadow of bad architecture at 9th and E NE.

by caphilldcne on Sep 26, 2009 10:01 pm • linkreport

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