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The quotable Rollin Stanley

I've never been shy about professing my planner crush on Rollin Stanley, director of the Montgomery County Planning Department. Last week, I saw him speak before the White Flint Partnership, a group leading the push to redevelop that area, at White Flint Mall.


Rockville Pike in White Flint.

If you ever get a chance to hear him talk, go. It's inspiring to hear about everything he's done in St. Louis and Toronto (PDF) and the visionary ideas he has about our county's future. And he's also a great speakerfunny, engaging, and truly excited about the power of people and places.

Rollin's thesis is simple: We have a growing population, especially immigrants and young professionals, who don't always want the suburban lifestyle. So if we build up, around Metro and older commercial areas, we can provide for them while generating revenue AND preserving the suburban neighborhoods that current residents like. On top of that, we can create great urban spaces for people of all kinds to enjoy.

A lot of Rollin's ideas can easily be boiled down into digestible nuggets of planning wisdom, but that doesn't make them any less useful. And so, I present the Quotable Rollin Stanley:

On parks

"Why are the parks packed in Paris? Everyone lives in smaller space. They don't have three acres of grass to cut."

"These kids [today] don't hang out in big parks. They hang out in small, intimate places where they can mingle, shop and surf the web."

"We put up signs saying 'No Rollerblading, No Skateboarding,' and nobody has any fun."

On traffic

"The best places to visit have the worst traffic. Who in here has gone on vacation in Houston?"

On tall buildings

"If the buildings are articulated properly, you can't tell me how tall they are. It isn't possible."

On Montgomery County culture

"We're a little uptight here, as are a lot of places. We gotta let things happen. We're a little too worried."

On Silver Spring's Ellsworth "Avenue"


Blues Festival in Silver Spring.
Rollin both lives and works in downtown Silver Spring and misses no opportunity to sing its praises. I'm not sure if there's a public official in Montgomery Countyperhaps Reemberto Rodriguez from the Regional Services Centerwho better understands and appreciates how and why this place works so well.

"You should go there on a Friday night and watch. It's the most diverse place in the region."

"[The Turf] was amazing on a Friday night. People of all ethnic groups outside, being out ... and parents let their kids run forever because there were no boundaries."

"The [Civic Building] itself is astounding. Finally, modern architecture in Montgomery County!"

"Your first perception of Downtown Silver Spring is that it's overdesigned ... but it works well. They just turned on the fountain last night and kids were already running around in it."

"Forget the $2 million for the bridge, gimme $50,000, and I'll give you the best intersection you can imagine. Won't be a person with a disability who feels unsafe crossing it."

"I could go to Whole Check. I could go to Safeway. But more and more of my shopping gets done in Fenton Village."

On public space

"Urban space should be about getting lost."

"Urban spaces are places we can all go."

"Public spaces should be fun."

"Public spaces should lead people to something."

"Public spaces should create discussion."

Tenets of design

(A list of bullet points, presented throughout the talk and later abridged.)

Design for accessibility. Design for safety. Design for three dimensions. Design for textures. Design for flexibility. Design for festivities. ("You know who does this well? Downtown Silver Spring. They do great programming and lots of stuff for children.")

Design for art and architecture. Design for the kids. ("If we put a mud puddle in the middle of this room, kids will be all over it in five minutes.") Design for the environment. Design for spontaneity. Design for maintenance.

Design for the current medium. Design for the interaction. Design for all day and into the evening. Design for the senses.

A planner and architect by training, Dan Reed is interested in suburban retrofits. Dan works for the Friends of White Flint, writes his own blog, Just Up the Pike, and serves as the Land Use Chair for the Action Committee for Transit. Dan lives in Silver Spring. 

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'Why aren't there any Chinese players in the NHL? Because once you get them into a corner, they'll open a store.'

Jesus Christ, he pulled this old racist joke out of the bag?

[And he should have used the original one, it's World Cup time]

by kidincredible on Jun 10, 2010 11:13 am • linkreport

I like this guy more and more. Imagine if architects thought along these lines! The only correction I would have to all his quotes is on the new Civic Building, I would say "finally GOOD modern architecture in Montgomery County."

by Thayer-D on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 pm • linkreport

Too bad we can't steal him for PG County! Maybe some of Silver Spring's success will spill East towards us.

by Scott on Jun 10, 2010 12:21 pm • linkreport

While I generally like Rollin Stanley especially on what architecture should look like, I don't agree with a couple of his comments.

On Ellsworth Avenue and not knowing how tall buildings are: The buildings along Ellsworth are only two stories. I think this helps make it an engaging light-filled space. Can you imagine how crowded that fountain would be if there was little light shining on that area? I've lived in Manhattan and can certainly tell where buildings are so tall that they don't let any light onto the street. Paris is similar to DC in that most of the buildings are relatively short. Many don't even have elevators, so they can't be more than about five stories. White Flint and Tysons are proposing buildings much taller than in Paris or D.C. Why should these areas have much taller buildings than the main city in this area?

On parks: I certainly don't a lot of places where my children can mingle, shop and surf the web. I want them to play sports and have a lot of places to play spontaneous games. I don't believe Rollin Stanley has any children, so I'm not sure how well versed he is in this area.

by Dan on Jun 10, 2010 1:07 pm • linkreport

@Dan: The bulk of Paris is indeed lowrises like, but it does have a very large skyscraper district, La Défense, which is set 10 km away from the center of the city. And based on a quick look at Google Maps, Tysons Corner is roughly 10 km away from the White House. In other words, if Washington is to be compared to Paris, then it makes perfect sense for Tysons to have much taller buildings than the main city in the area.

by Andrew on Jun 10, 2010 1:30 pm • linkreport

Dan: get a room!

by Cap on Jun 10, 2010 1:43 pm • linkreport

@ Andrew

What part of Paris is not lowrises except for maybe 1 or 2 highrise buildings

All parts that I can think that aren't; are not within the true borders of the city and that they surround the city such as La Defense

by kk on Jun 10, 2010 3:26 pm • linkreport

@kk, I'm confused, that's exactly what I said. Paris has an edge city, La Defense, where its skyscrapers are clustered. Washington has the same deal with Tysons. So Dan's complaint of "why should Tysons have taller buildings than the main city" while comparing Washington to Paris was backwards; Tysons having taller buildings than the main city *strengthens* Washington's similarity to Paris.

by Andrew on Jun 10, 2010 3:32 pm • linkreport

La Defense and Tyson's aren't comparable, as there are no major physical or political barriers between Paris's city center and La Defense. In fact, they're connected in a straight line by a huge, wide avenue, and an underground Metro line.

Tyson's definitely, positively in the Suburbs. La Defense might be more comparable to a hypothetical skyscraper district at RFK Stadium.

by andrew on Jun 10, 2010 4:45 pm • linkreport

@andrew La Defense is outside of the Paris city limits, and is exactly like the future White Flint; connected by a Metro line, and a wide avenue (Wisconsin Ave -> Rockville Pike).

QED

by RS on Jun 10, 2010 5:03 pm • linkreport

La Defense is about 5 miles from the Louvre as the crow flies. RFK, for example, is about 3.5 miles from the Washington Monument.

And though it may be in a suburban jurisdiction, the strength of the French state means that it's not a huge revenue loss for Paris itself for that development to be outside of the city - revenues are pooled and the State can ensure much more effective cooperation and planning on a regional basis.

by Alex B. on Jun 10, 2010 5:07 pm • linkreport

@ Andrew

I was replying because you said "The bulk of Paris is indeed lowrises" I was wondering where was the part that was not lowrise since you said the bulk of Paris instead of all of Paris

by kk on Jun 10, 2010 6:29 pm • linkreport

The reason La Defense is outside the city is because the French don't want their beloved historic city to be destroyed by bland, cold, modernist architecture. Plus, they make a fortune in tourist dollars from the olde charm of the place.

by Thayer-D on Jun 11, 2010 7:03 am • linkreport

@kk: Not being intimately familiar with Paris, I hesitated to say it's entirely lowrises, though I do know there to be at least one skyscraper within the city limits - Tour Montparnasse. (La Defense is technically outside the city but, as pointed out, that's much less a concern in France than in the USA)

by Andrew on Jun 11, 2010 8:40 am • linkreport

@Thayer-D

I think the point was to note that the political boundaries between cities are inherently arbitrary. They are lines on a map, after all.

by Alex B. on Jun 11, 2010 8:47 am • linkreport

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