Public Spaces
How would you improve the Washington Monument area?
In comparison to the relative clutter of some other areas of the National Mall and adjacent parks, the Washington Monument grounds have the opposite problem: they're a desolate wasteland of grass without shade, amenities, or interesting programming.
That wasn't the original plan. Early concepts for the Washington Monument included a colonnade surrounding the obelisk. It's just as well that didn't happen, since the obelisk is great standing alone, but the McMillan Plan recommended surrounding the Monument with some formal gardens and pools.
Such features would enhance rather than detract from the obelisk. With this in mind, a group of architects and Mall advocates has launched a competition to reimagine the Monument grounds.
Can the monument area be less forbidding to tourists, and something other than a sun-parched forced march between the more tree-filled areas with museums to the east and memorials to the west? What would you like to see in this area?
DCmud reports that the organizers hope to select five finalists by next summer and then let the public vote among them. The agencies with jurisdiction over the area, the National Park Service, NCPC, and the Commission on Fine Arts, haven't endorsed this competition, but perhaps good ideas will gain some traction.
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by Jazzy on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 am • link • report
by Lou on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 am • link • report
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 11:42 am • link • report
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 11:44 am • link • report
by Ben on Jul 16, 2010 11:45 am • link • report
by Andrew on Jul 16, 2010 11:46 am • link • report
Go down there in the evenings and check out all the various softball games. Plenty of things to do there.
Plus, the design of the Monument itself is remarkably simple and austere. The current landscape design fits the architecture quite well. Some of the peripheral paths could use some more shade and designing around the edges of the Monument grounds, for example, but the area immediately adjacent to the Monument itself is fine.
by Alex B. on Jul 16, 2010 11:46 am • link • report
by Steve S on Jul 16, 2010 11:52 am • link • report
by Lou on Jul 16, 2010 11:54 am • link • report
Formal flower gardens and seating areas, like the kind you'd find in any European city park, would be a great addition. Of course, they'd need to be larger and grander given the 'larger-than-life' scale of the monument and the open space surrounding it ... an emphasis on American plants would be most appropriate. Perhaps the Botanical Garden could be given responsibility for cultivating this space ... Our weather is such that even winter plantings would be possible ... with the types of plants we see hotels and the line using during the winter months.
by Lance on Jul 16, 2010 11:54 am • link • report
by Alex B. on Jul 16, 2010 12:00 pm • link • report
by aaa on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 pm • link • report
Then again, there is a great kite flying scene. they had to move the kite-flying to the actual Mall one year because of the renovations at the Monument. It didn't work out nearly as well.
by lou on Jul 16, 2010 12:25 pm • link • report
by Vik on Jul 16, 2010 12:27 pm • link • report
Honestly, how many miles of lawn does the Mall need?
Is it really better that we keep every square inch of all that grass, than turn some of it in to gardens, or plazas, or anything else you can possibly imagine?
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 12:29 pm • link • report
In addressing the need for open space, I will say this - go down to the Mall on a weekday summer night, and just about every inch of that space will be in use with softball, kickball, frisbee, some festival, etc.
That space does get a lot of use.
by Alex B. on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 pm • link • report
by Maria on Jul 16, 2010 12:37 pm • link • report
by Dan on Jul 16, 2010 12:44 pm • link • report
Let us not clutter up things around it. Let it stand alone as he does in our history.
Sometimes less is more. The simplicity is genius. Let's not mess with perfection.
by MPC on Jul 16, 2010 12:46 pm • link • report
No, all the most visible spaces are being used, but there are huge swaths of lawn all over the Mall that are slightly off the beaten path that aren't used nearly as much.
Do we really need ALL of them?
If we can't agree on *which* ones should be transformed into something else, can we at least agree that some of them should be? If you think the lawn around the Washington Monument is indispensable, do you at least agree that we could do something else with some of the lawns surrounding the Tidal Basin, or around Lincoln?
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 12:46 pm • link • report
by Allan on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 pm • link • report
Which is it?
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 12:50 pm • link • report
A few more trees, some more drinking fountains, and watered grass is all you need.
by charlie on Jul 16, 2010 12:51 pm • link • report
Most people, even local urbanists, know that there are just some times that you don't desecrate a national icon for the sake of some silly local issues.
Maybe you will soon too.
by MPC on Jul 16, 2010 12:59 pm • link • report
Instead of focusing on the quixotic notion of "transforming the Mall," which has neither public nor financial support, let's focus on improving the grounds, starting with the big, barren dirt spots that mar the lawn between the Capitol and the Washington Monument. Not only is this financially feasible, but it's also something that the majority of visitors and users would back wholeheartedly. It would enhance the pristine and awe-inspiring nature of the Mall for the tourists who love it for that and improve the ground for the many Washingtonians who love the wide, open spaces for playing frisbee, kickball, softball, kite-flying, or simply having a picnic. So let's not throw away something that already works extremely well and is iconic in its own right. Let's just fix it up so it's even better.
by JJ on Jul 16, 2010 1:23 pm • link • report
As a local urbanist, my most common use of the Mall is when I use the open spaces to play sports. I've played on the Mall itself, the Ellipse, the Monument grounds, the JFK Polo Fields, East Potomac Park, West Potomac Park - you name it. Those areas see a lot of use, and it's not from just tourists. That's the point for integration into the urban experience. There's not a lot of opportunity for active recreation space in the central core of the city, which explains the popularity of using the Mall for various sporting events.
But yes, that is just one factor. I'll be curious to see what ideas people come up with as a part of this competition.
As I mentioned above, from the stanpoint of sheer aesthetics, I like the simple, open, and austere landscaping in the area immediately surrounding the Monument. The Monument itself is an austere and simple obelisk, and I feel too much ornamentation at the ground level wouldn't mesh with the design and might also unnecessarily complicate the space. There's something very powerful about a simple, unadorned obelisk meeting a simple, unadorned landscape.
Likewise, the stretches of open space that surround the Monument are part of the obelisk's power - as well as popular open spaces for gathering and recreation.
I think there's a great opportunity for vastly improving the areas around the edges of the Monument grounds. The interface with Constitution and between the Monument and the Ellipse isn't great - the connection between the Monument grounds and the Tidal Basin is even worse. That's where I see the biggest opportunity for change.
As Charlie notes, there is also need for some logistical upgrades - drinking fountains, refreshments, shade, restrooms, etc. I'd like to see a design integrate those functional elements into the overall plan.
by Alex B. on Jul 16, 2010 1:34 pm • link • report
by Eric H. on Jul 16, 2010 1:43 pm • link • report
by c5karl on Jul 16, 2010 1:45 pm • link • report
My wish list in order would be:
1 - Plant a line of trees on the central lawn of the mall mirroring theones on the opposite side of the gravel baths, so one could stroll in shade, and "the view" could still be had through the lawn part.
2 - How about a sprinkler system for the malls grounds?
3 - Demo/relocate most government functions in SW below the line of Smithsonian buildings and rebuild it with dense mixed use buildings. What the mall really needs is 24-7 life and the Federal Triangle is too beautiful to demo.
While where spit-ball'n here, build out the semi-circle around Union Station.
by Thayer-D on Jul 16, 2010 1:48 pm • link • report
That being said, I'm a little shocked that people think a formal garden around the Washington Monument would somehow diminish the monument. I really don't think you lose much of the monument's impact by adding something like a garden to some portion of the hill (terraced gardens, even, for the walk up).
Also, don't forget there is actually a performance space on the south side that is horribly underused. I think it is a crime that we aren't having nightly concerts at that stage.
by Eric H. on Jul 16, 2010 1:49 pm • link • report
by OctaviusIII on Jul 16, 2010 1:59 pm • link • report
Complete redo of the grass sections of the National Mall, with new topsoil and complete irrigation system. Treat it as though it's a golf course, and hire top groundskeepers to maintain it. It's not hard, or even particularly expensive.
by SG on Jul 16, 2010 2:07 pm • link • report
by Reid on Jul 16, 2010 2:15 pm • link • report
Slightly more seriously, well designed trees or landscaping could help, but nothing large. Landscaping that can facilitate an informal or moderately sized performance space could theoretically be done well.
I'd be concerned about converting to much of the area to a garden because that makes sections unwalkable and not even that nice looking in the winter months. In addition, if they don't have the budget to maintain a grass field, where are they going to get a budget to properly maintain a garden?
by dan on Jul 16, 2010 2:18 pm • link • report
Was it desecrating a national icon to redesign and rebuild the grounds after 9/11? That happened you know. If you look at pictures from 1999 you can see clearly that the layout is quite different.
Was it desecrating a national icon to demolish the Navy and Munitions Buildings in 1970? You did know there used to be buildings there, right?
Was it desecrating a national icon to fill in the Constitution Avenue canal and turn it into a sewer for cars? No, I don't suppose you have any problem with that.
Was the McMillan Plan a desecration?
Nonsense. Absolute rubbish. If you think the place is fine as it is, that's cool. Totally valid opinion. Suggesting that the National Mall must be frozen in time and left alone for all eternity, on the other hand, is ignorant of how the Mall has evolved, arrogant that your values should trump all others without even discussion, and simply historically invalid.
But do please keep on trolling, while the rest of us talk like grown ups.
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 2:27 pm • link • report
by S.B. on Jul 16, 2010 2:42 pm • link • report
Seeing as you're the first one to bring ad hominmen attacks to this otherwise good discussion, I'd argue that most people on here would more likely call you the troll...
Besides, it sounds like someone's jealous that he got totally beat down on this thread. It's saying something when MPC gets even the urbanists on his side against you...
by MPC on Jul 16, 2010 2:43 pm • link • report
by BeyondDC on Jul 16, 2010 2:45 pm • link • report
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/housingcomplex/2010/06/14/hell-of-a-thought-experiment-re-imagining-the-washington-monument/
love,
Housing Complex
by Housing Complex on Jul 16, 2010 2:47 pm • link • report
I'm also on the side that thinks the WWII memorial should of never been built in the center of the mall either.
by TS on Jul 16, 2010 2:55 pm • link • report
by SK on Jul 16, 2010 3:25 pm • link • report
I don't want buildings/structures cluttering things up but it is a wide swath that can get quite hot and having trees would fill up the space and create cover which might make walking around that area more pleasant. I also agree with reworking the paths.
by ET on Jul 16, 2010 3:33 pm • link • report
by Q on Jul 16, 2010 4:08 pm • link • report
by ZZinDC on Jul 16, 2010 4:17 pm • link • report
- Rework federal buildings on the South of the mall to be more mixed-use, including street-level retail, either through renovation or demolition
- Create a consistent statement for the Mall area. All the building frontage is canvas space for visual artists
- Use the sloping space to enhance the themes already present in the Monument, which appear to be stark contrast and dominance of the surrounding landscape
- Make the flat space more user-friendly: shade, seating, waste recepticles and water fountains
by OctaviusIII on Jul 16, 2010 4:29 pm • link • report
My suggestion: More trees, better grass maintenance, more bathrooms, and some cafe/outdoor dining facilities.
And keep in mind that during the WWII era, there were tons of "temporary" buildings stretching from the western grounds of the Washington Monument grounds all the way to the Lincoln Memorial. After that ugliness, it's not surprising most people appreciate the vast expansiveness of greenery.
by Fritz on Jul 16, 2010 4:41 pm • link • report
It's not like your back-yard that you walk through now and then. The Mall gets trampled by hundreds of thousands of people a year. That causes serious soil compaction that makes it hard to grow anything. We need to be realistic about what we can expect from such a heavily trafficked area.
Unless "better maintenance" is going to include getting tractors to regularly turn over and aerate the soil and resod the whole thing once a year the grass will always be ugly, brown, and patchy.
by PJ on Jul 16, 2010 5:22 pm • link • report
by Distantantennas on Jul 16, 2010 10:50 pm • link • report
Why don't you grow up? You're sounding like an absolute jerk.
I, too, find it surprising that most commenters here seem to like the Washington Monument's grounds just as they are. But I also find it fascinating; I had no idea so many people would feel that way. All in all, I think this has been a pretty interesting discussion.
So I don't know why you feel the need to get uppity with people when they disagree with your opinion. No wonder I've never really bothered to read your blog.
by Dustin on Jul 17, 2010 12:32 am • link • report
by C. R. on Jul 17, 2010 10:32 am • link • report
Two, something better mark and make notable Jefferson Pier. A sculpture, perhaps related or representative of the president. Three, cherry trees, at least along the paths. There's a odd rectangular grove there now that could be replanted in a nicer arrangement immediately. Four, restrooms. Even the softball players have to be happy about that one.
Boo to the do nothing crowd for having no imagination. The mall isn't perfect, and that's a tragedy.
by Patrick on Jul 17, 2010 11:41 am • link • report
And now I kinda have figured out why I don't go to your site as much anymore; you're becoming too subjective, bias and personal.
by Zac on Jul 17, 2010 2:47 pm • link • report
by Peter Smith on Jul 18, 2010 5:55 am • link • report
I have to back BDC up here, he was perfectly civil until MPC egged him on with the "Most people, bla bla bla... Maybe you will soon too."
But "Joe Turist"? Some might want it un-ouced because they appreciate Andrew Wyeth or the wide open landscapes of the West. Sometimes I think they screwed up the mall by stopping it's view of the western side of the Potomac by building the Lincon Monument, representing the real jewel of our country, nature. Thank god they stopped the BP' oil spill, that's something urbanists and non urbanists can all celebrate!
by anon on Jul 18, 2010 6:26 am • link • report
by MIss V on Jul 18, 2010 10:29 am • link • report
In any case, there is way too much imagining for the mall and not enough doing.
by neb on Jul 18, 2010 10:48 pm • link • report
by Mike Donnelly on Jul 19, 2010 8:25 am • link • report
The softball leagues I've been in played almost exclusively on (1) the sloped grass around the Washington Monument (with the outfield uphill from the batter), or (2) on the grassy spot between Lincoln and Constitution.
@David A:
Usually I think you and BDC do a great job finding ways to improve the city, but it seems from the comments that most people flat disagree with you on this on. Sidewalk improvements notwithstanding, the lawn around washington isn't broken and doesn't need to be fixed.
by D on Jul 19, 2010 9:22 am • link • report
Most of the comments seem to say, "I can't believe you would talk about changing the Washington Monument area! It's perfect just as it is! Except it could use a few more trees and maybe a fountain and some seating near the edges."
I think the disconnect comes from the formal garden I posted from the McMillan Plan. I can see that most people don't like that idea. However, this competition isn't the "Design a Formal Garden For the Washington Monument Contest." It's about improving the grounds.
If improving it just means a few shady walks at the very edges while keeping the main fields open for kites and softball, okay. I saw a lot of ideas for improvement in the comment thread, just often preceded by protestations that there could be no possible improvement.
by David Alpert on Jul 19, 2010 1:22 pm • link • report
Maybe the Park Service could also provide these in some of the stretches around the Monument as well.
by lou on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 pm • link • report
by Captain Hilts on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 am • link • report
by Captain Hilts on Jul 20, 2010 8:38 am • link • report
Maybe they should just build what the McMillan plan had in store for the Monument grounds? Some stairs, some fountains, a few shady spots are here and there it could be quite nice.
by Boots on Jul 20, 2010 10:21 pm • link • report
by Boots on Jul 21, 2010 9:32 am • link • report
by OddNumber on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 pm • link • report
I'll also note that Arlington Cemetery has similar problems. They have a LOT of elderly visitors and very few places to sit in the shade. Even the Metro station has NO benches in the shade. They are all in full sun. I've seen people collapse in the cemetery.
by Captain Hilts on Jul 21, 2010 3:07 pm • link • report
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