Pedestrians
Wall in White Flint endangers pedestrians
Outside the White Flint Metro station, a stone wall has been erected to force pedestrians to cross Marinelli Road at the intersection of Rockville Pike. While this barrier prevents pedestrians from crossing outside of the crosswalk, it also creates new dangers.
Improving pedestrian conditions here is especially important because White Flint lacks a bus loop. Among Montgomery County Metro stations, only Forest Glen and White Flint do not have off-street bus stops (Silver Spring's bus bays have been temporarily closed due to the construction of the new transit center).
As a result, many patrons transferring between buses and the Metro are forced to cross Marinelli Road or Rockville Pike. An underpass does allow pedestrians to cross under the Pike, but the same facilities don't exist for people crossing Marinelli. The current configuration is just plain hostile to pedestrians and makes little sense in front of a Metro station &mdash especially in front of the station at the center of what Montgomery County hopes will be its next downtown.
Because of the placement of the bus stop located on the south side of Marinelli across from the Metro entrance, there is a desire line across the street. The wall makes pedestrians go the long way around, and is typical of the conventional mid-20th century transportation orthodoxy which asserted that cars and pedestrians should be kept separate.
Additionally, the wall creates hazards for motorists. While I was taking photos, I saw two motorists turn left from southbound Rockville Pike (MD 355) into the oncoming lanes on Marinelli Road. A friend of mine who lives in one of the apartment buildings adjacent to the Metro said to me that she did the same thing the first time she turned left onto Marinelli. This wall violates the concept of driver expectancy. Drivers often drive based on what they expect, not necessarily according to actual conditions. To many drivers, a wall implies the side of the road rather than a median.
The wall also partially obstructs drivers' view of pedestrians in and around the crosswalk. It is especially hard for drivers to see road hazards, shorter pedestrians, children, and wheelchair users.
A more progressive approach would be to relocate the bus stop directly across the street from the Metro entrance. The stop line for cars approaching the Rockville Pike intersection on westbound Marinelli Road would also be moved back to allow a crosswalk to occupy the new desire line to the bus stop and NRC headquarters across the street.
As White Flint develops into a more urban area, Montgomery County will need to begin to treat the needs of pedestrians as more important than those of drivers. If Rockville Pike remains as hostile to pedestrians as it is now, no amount of density will turn White Flint into an urban center.
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You have to accept the way people want to use the road in these situations. In dupont, there is no legal crossing of Connecticut between Dupont Circle and N Street, or between Q Street and R Street (a long block). There are already traffic lights governing flow north and south of the circle- why not just add signals that match those inbetween those blocks and permit peds to cross halfway? It wouldn't even slow traffic in any substantive way.
Same with this one - why not just move the bus stop as you suggest, or add a pedestrian crossing signal that is timed with the one on rockville pike so people can cross in the middle?
by Jamie on Aug 18, 2010 1:13 pm • link • report
This is half-true. There are bus bays inside of Forest Glen where Ride On routes 7 and 8 stop as do shuttle buses during certain cases when the station loses power/Wheaton's escalators die. However, for logistical purposes the Y and Q Metrobuses don't use those bays to not add to run time going on/off Georgia Ave.
The odd thing about that wall is that a gap should have been built as the discharge-only terminal for the C8 (and a couple J5) Metrobuses plus Ride On 81 is blocked from the Metro by that wall. Unless the wall came after Metro, it made no sense to keep it as is. With the plot east of the station being redeveloped and a 100+ long scaffolding set up from the station to the garage, now is the time to dump it for the sake of access.
by Jason on Aug 18, 2010 1:48 pm • link • report
Walls as pedestrian "enhancements" really needs to be eliminated!
by Barry Childress on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 pm • link • report
Problem: Pedestrians cross the road because it is the shortest way.
Current solution: Build a wall, blocking pedestrians from crossing the road.
Evaluation: This solution does nothing to fix the problem.
How about:
Logical solution: Make a pedestrian crossing on the road.
by Jasper on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 pm • link • report
by DCDave05 on Aug 18, 2010 2:06 pm • link • report
However, it is particularly egregious when following the rules would force pedestrians to go really far out of their way, as in the White Flint example and the examples Jamie mentions above.
by neff on Aug 18, 2010 2:13 pm • link • report
Jason is correct. Forest Glen Station has a very functional bus loop right in front of the station. However, the area not have a critical mass of Metrobus riders to warrant all buses using the bus loop at the Kiss & Ride lot. Mostly hyperlocal Ride-On buses use the loop and the Metrobuses run right next to, and stop next to the station along Georgia Avenue. The thing that Forest Glen needs is a tunnel under Georgia. Then we'd be good.
by Eric on Aug 18, 2010 2:35 pm • link • report
by Phil on Aug 18, 2010 4:34 pm • link • report
Just because Silver Spring is undergoing construction does not excuse the way the bus bays are arranged. They could have put some on East West Hwy, Colesville Rd, 2nd Ave west north of Colesville RD instead of having all up the hill. Then there is not enough signs to know where each bus stops at.
If Montgomery County wants this to be downtown and you are against this than what is the excuse for in DC there are many stops where the stops are just like this
by kk on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 pm • link • report
by Stanton Park on Aug 18, 2010 5:29 pm • link • report
I don't think Cavan is objecting to having bus stops on street. He is objecting to forcing riders transferring between modes to cross a street, and then making that crossing dangerous, inconvenient, and hostile.
If there was a bus loop, this wouldn't be as much of an issue.
by Matt Johnson on Aug 18, 2010 6:35 pm • link • report
That barrier was constructed, I believe, as some sort of protection for the Nuclear Regulatory Comission. I can't say for sure, but I think it was installed in conjunction with numerous other security upgrades around the NRC building (like the giant boulders and pop up barriers). I think they want to discourage people from entering the property from anywhere other than their defined entrances.
by Alex P on Aug 19, 2010 9:07 am • link • report
The wall doesn't block a vehicle from getting close to the NRC building. Both photos were taken from the sidewalk in front of the building. The building is set back a little from the sidewalk. A wall in the median does not keep vehicles away from a building.
by Cavan on Aug 19, 2010 10:28 am • link • report
by Cyrus on Aug 19, 2010 11:51 am • link • report
by Barry Childress on Aug 19, 2010 6:58 pm • link • report
by Stanton Park on Aug 21, 2010 12:46 am • link • report
by Jeff Dunckel, Montgomery County Pedestrian Safety Coordinator on Aug 23, 2010 7:13 pm • link • report
I live near White Flint and I walk extensively, but I also drive so I know what it is like to be both a driver and pedestrian. Yes, the meandering of people in that road was worrisome. What's also worrisome, are some of these awful outdated crosswalks in this area. One in particular is located on the Pike, the northwest corner near the Mid-Pike shopping Plaza. When walking north on the west side of the Pike across Old Georgetown Road, one is directed to use the crosswalk from that little island which in turn leads the pedestrian into the path of fast moving traffic taking a right off the Pike to get on Old Georgetown...many of those cars are not expecting a crosswalk there, as it is recessed a bit and ends up being a blind curve. I never use that crosswalk, opting to instead cross DIRECTLY across and I wonder...for crumb's sake, can't there be anything better? I used to push my baby across that intersection and he is 15 now and I worry about him being on his own around here, navigating this car centric territory. I am also concerned about there being no pedestrian signal on the northeast corner of Randolph Rd. and Parklawn Dr., which is a high traffic intersection. There is one on the other side of Randolph. Why not on both sides? Does it have to do with the little island? Heaven help us here if the Montrose Parkway is built, and it's complete with menacing on-ramps...Thank you for any information you may have.
by Rainee on Sep 3, 2010 3:53 pm • link • report
by Rainee on Sep 3, 2010 4:02 pm • link • report
by Jeff Dunckel, Montgomery County Pedestrian Safety Coordinator on Sep 3, 2010 5:51 pm • link • report
by Rainee on Sep 14, 2010 3:31 pm • link • report
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