Development
East of the River won't be changing so fast, so soon
Ward 7 and Ward 8 will not be the next U Street. But at the same time, East of the River will not stay "Mayberry," as some residents have referred to it.
I remember being told not to go past 14th Street NW when I was an intern working on U Street NW in 2001. Now less than a decade later, U Street is a bustling center that embodies the "live, work, play" motto.
The residents East of the River have had a front seat view of the rapid changes that have occurred in other parts of the City, like the U Street corridor. Residents in Far Northeast and Far Southeast DC are trying to balance the desire for economic development while maintaining some of the suburban elements.
While I believe change is inevitable, East of the River is not going to change as fast as other communities in the City. This side of the City has three unique conditions that are going to slow the pace of development considerably.
Location of Metrorail stations: Land around transit stations is usually prime real estate for transit-oriented development and higher densities. The location of the Metro stations East of the River do not lend themselves to the density of development seen in other parts of the city due to their locations and the existing land use surrounding the station.
Minnesota Ave and Benning Road stations in Ward 7, and Anacostia in Ward 8, have some commercial areas within ¼ mile that are either under construction or have the potential for redevelopment. However, Deanwood station in Ward 7 is more challenging due to its obscure location off Minnesota Ave NE, which is not a contiguous road.
In addition, Deanwood has industrial uses on one side and single-family homes on the other side. A developer has the option of dealing with potential environmental conditions on one side or trying to amass properties on the other side. Though neither are insurmountable tasks, they would have longer development timelines that typical development projects.
Similarly, Congress Heights in Ward 8 has St Elizabeth's Hospital East Campus on one side, which has some potential for more density. However, it is also bordered by a cemetery.
Undevelopable land: One of the features of Wards 7 and 8 is the large amount of green space owned by the National Park Service. The Fort Circle Parks, Fort Dupont being the largest at 375 acres, make up a little less than a third of the land in Ward 7. Anacostia Park located along the Anacostia River in Wards 7 and 8 is used heavily for recreation, family reunions, and community events. It is highly unlikely that these lands will become available for development, especially with the pending development at Poplar Point located to the south of Anacostia Park in Ward 8.
Prince George's County has more land: There is speculation that Ward 8 will see an influx of development due to the office space and housing needs in conjunction with the relocation of Homeland Security to St. Elizabeth's West Campus. While Ward 8 will reap some benefits, Prince George's County stands to benefit the most. The proximity of Homeland Security to Interstate 295 coupled with the fact that the County has more land available at a lower value make it a more attractive option for larger scale redevelopment.
In addition, Naylor Road, Suitland, Southern Ave, Capitol Heights, and Branch Ave metro stations are gold mines for higher density development. The current land uses around these stations are low-density commercial and medium-high density residential with very few single-family homes in the vicinity.
Will Wards 7 and 8 will experience change and growth? Yes. However, the type of change will not be as dramatic as seen in other parts of the city.
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What is D.C. trying to prove? No matter how much sh*t it builds it will never be on the same level as New York City, which it seems like its trying to do. Not with congress in control.
by Shadow Inc. on Dec 23, 2010 10:53 am • link • report
by goldfish on Dec 23, 2010 10:58 am • link • report
First, I take issue with lumping ALL of east of the river together as one place. Tsk tsk, you know better. All of West of the river hasn't changed dramatically, ..just certain sections, and that's how it is going to happen east of the river too.
Also, the notion that "the type of change will not be as dramatic as seen in other parts of the city" is unsupportable. The change that comes to neighborhoods like Anacostia, Benning, and Congress Heights will be very dramatic. It might not be as high density or high-traffic as 14th Street, but it will be crazy different than what has been the norm for the past half-century.
I agree that the change will happen differently in that it happened at 14th & U NW ... but that doesn't mean it won't be as meaningful, transformational, or neighborhood-altering.
by DG-rad on Dec 23, 2010 10:58 am • link • report
@DG_Rad... I don't think you disagree as much as you think you do. At least I don't think so... LOL. I do agree that perhaps we could do a neighborhood drill down. Perhaps a series. But at any rate. I do agree that our neighborhoods will change. However, it will be a different type of change than seen in other parts of the city. There is a healthy fear from some people on this side of town that we will become U Street or pick any other up and come neighborhood. Our changes will be special and unique to us. We will lose some of the Mayberry feel. However we aren't going to have the overall density seen in other parts of the city.
by Veronica O. Davis (Ms V) on Dec 23, 2010 11:07 am • link • report
by Veronica O. Davis (Ms V) on Dec 23, 2010 11:08 am • link • report
by Veronica O. Davis (Ms V) on Dec 23, 2010 11:12 am • link • report
What the hell does "moving too fast" even MEAN, and who care about whether it's "moving too fast" or not, anyway? OH NO! Stores are opening TOO FAST! People are renovating their housing TOO FAST! I'm so scared! Man-up, east-of-the-river-types. "Moving too fast" sounds like yo're all a bunch of crybabies who can't handle life.
by JustMe on Dec 23, 2010 11:49 am • link • report
@JustMe, I agree 100%. I wish it were physically possible to agree more. If people don't want life to move so fast, they can become Mennonite and live up in Lancaster, PA or just move out to Kansas or Nebraska and buy a nice big farm. For crying out loud, people, you live in one of the most bustling urban regions in the United States.
by Sam on Dec 23, 2010 12:45 pm • link • report
Just a thought.
by Jason on Dec 23, 2010 12:57 pm • link • report
You misunderstand the dynamic. Yuppies want to be close to restaurants, shops and other amenities. And to jobs. In order to have that, you need density. Rowhouses are just a symptom. Ask one of your "yuppies" if they'd rather have a 2600 square foot standalone house across the street from Eastern Market, or a 900 square foot rowhouse--costs being equal.
Sure you could get a giant standalone house east of the river, but at that point, you may as well live in Gaithersburg.
It's like saying people go so sushi restaurants because they really like chopsticks.
by oboe on Dec 23, 2010 1:39 pm • link • report
Why are the Blue and Orange line stations so close together after the split; Minnesota Ave + Benning RD, Deanwood + Capitol Hgts are very close together when comparing to others stations on lines after they split. You have bus routes that stop at 3 stations and some which use to stop all of them years ago.
While the distance between the Blue and Green lines is 2.5 -3.5x the distance between the Blue and Orange lines
by kk on Dec 23, 2010 2:11 pm • link • report
Are rowhouses the symptoms, or the cause of density? You seem to have it backwards. I'd therefore posit neighborhoods east of the river aren't dense enough to become attractive in this sense.
Anyway, not to say rowhouses are the sole factor in determining which areas become hot, but there presence is an enormous boon for any neighborhood in which they exist. They are hip. They are sexy. I am posting rather train-of-thought but I have a hard time seeing any neighborhood in DC becomes the next U st or H st without actually looking like them. Of course Cap Riverfront and NoMA are "hot" but, well, apples and oranges.
You know this post might be totally off base and nonsensical but I don't care. Just putting it out there.
Anyone else have thoughts on the influence of rowhouses?
by Jason on Dec 23, 2010 2:35 pm • link • report
by Joel Lawson on Dec 23, 2010 2:39 pm • link • report
But yes, it is certainly less dense in most of Wards 7 & 8.
still don't see the relevance of lumping the whole of "East of the River together" like it will all happen at the same pace.
by DG-rad on Dec 23, 2010 2:55 pm • link • report
I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. Rowhouses aren't a "symptom" of density. Obviously, they're what makes density possible.
I was responding to the previous poster, who was confused that "yuppies like rowhouses". My point was that it's not rowhouses that yuppies are attracted to. It's the secondary effects of density.
Areas that don't have sufficient density won't become "hip." Small rowhouses are the largest possible unit that still allows sufficient density for walkable amenities, etc... I still maintain that it's not rowhouses per se that yuppies like, but the neighborhoods that are made possible by--among many other factors--rowhouses.
For another analogy,
by oboe on Dec 23, 2010 3:23 pm • link • report
by dan reed! on Dec 23, 2010 5:05 pm • link • report
by Yippie on Dec 23, 2010 5:23 pm • link • report
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/912-E-Capitol-St-NE-Washington-DC-20003/419844_zpid/
to this historic row house:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/800-E-Capitol-St-NE-Washington-DC-20003/88809474_zpid/
Again, row houses are popular because they're the closest thing that you can get to a single-family home with anything approaching density. Although exposed brick, etc, is nice, it's way down on the list of attributes. It's walkability and amenities. The rowhouses just happen to be there.
by oboe on Dec 23, 2010 5:46 pm • link • report
by Anothernative on Dec 23, 2010 10:51 pm • link • report
by Ward 7 Citizen on Dec 24, 2010 2:02 am • link • report
This post aint sayin much but a whole big lot of nutsin. First to the get, you say you was told not to go past 14th Street NW you mean westward to the S2 bus or eastward to the 70 bus. Which way was you not supposed to tippey-toe over to back in dem wildin days when Mike Jordan was still suited for my dear Wizards?
Good point about the Parks, though. That always and alldaz been the best spot to chief in the cut and have a good old throwdown chowdown wit the family.
Other than dat you dont say much son-son.
Uptown streets and parts of Cap Hill da SE & NE are grided and easy to get around in. My man from back in the day LeNfant Plaza knew what he was doing when he made big avenues (GA Ave, Wisconsin Ave, Penn (used to be Ohio) Ave, Conn Ave, etc that extend from the center city all the way out to the cut like Frederick, Aspen Hill, and the water if you take Penn Ave all the way out) and a grid part of the Capitol City. He wadnt no dummy like some other urban planner folks. But the southside wasnt part of his original map. Good Hope Tavern was there in the early 1800s and Asylum road for the US Lunatic spot but there was no general map for the southside like there always was for the Uptown parts to follow. [SE Jerome note Florida Ave was one of da 1st boundaries of the city beyond that was the cut.]
I say all that to say that the Southside streets are all chopped up and thats why yungins be getting chopped up. One ways, back-cuts in cuts, unpaved alleys, our streets are where murderers can and do lurk. All you educated pink people forget the young boy came up on Chicago Street in da belly of dat beast we also have more Condon Terrace, da Farmz, Park Chester, Sheridan Terrace, da Lenchmob, Clay Terrace, Lincoln Heights, etc than the other side of the city.
The non-profit industrial complex wit all da white girl mafia members run this side of town SOME, Bread for the City, Unity, Community/Academy of Hope, Whitman, FLY, Salvation Army, all the other non-profits like Marshall Heights that owe the city a lot of money on buildings they aint doin nutsin with, etc. They aint much else over here other than EBT, emergency rental assistance, feel-good bleeding heart places. Also, the churches that only exist in the community on Sunday morning. Have you look-go-see all the abandoned buildings in my hood?
It aint worth time to tell you how stuck on stupid you are talking about development around certain metro stations. Buildings apartments and commercial - have been abandoned for years around the 5 metro stations we have. Central Ave just started to get fixed up a couple years ago. What about East Capitol Street?
Im done. No more from me. These posts are all fake-me-out joints.
by SE Jerome on Dec 24, 2010 7:22 am • link • report
by Fritz on Dec 24, 2010 7:47 am • link • report
Gentrification has happened in places that lack rowhouses. Brookland, for example. Brookland's gentrification roughly parallels that of Mt Pleasant (which does have rowhouses), although Brookland lacks the large stock of rent controlled apartments and the related Hispanic community. Both were segregated neighborhoods that remained nominally integrated after white flight. Catholic U provided an anchor for Brookland, while interns and frequent bus service did it for Mt Pleasant. Both were adjacent to forbidding neighborhoods and both have attracted families to a greater degree than other gentrifying areas.
Takoma Park, though, just outside the city is another example. And before the best known examples of "early" gentrification (e.g., DuPont) or the coining of the term "gentrification", there was Cleveland Park. It was impossible to get a conventional mortgage there in 1960 and the neighborhood did not reach it's current overpriced state until much later.
Not mentioned here are neighborhoods that have successfully attracted new generations of buyers like most of Ward 3 and places like Shepherd Park, all of which are built in single family homes. Shepherd Park is notable because it borders one of the least attractive commercial areas in the city.
E of the River includes a wide variety of neighborhoods including solidly middle class areas like Hillcrest which has a housing stock not unlike much of Chevy Chase DC. It also includes places like the Minnesota Ave Metro stop, which had begun to attract conventional gentrification just before the bubble and may be well placed to attract more of it in the future if people can get over its location.
I suspect that an unspoken subtext here is that if height limits were lifted E of the river, there would be a magical increase in density and development. It's pretty doubtful. The redevelopment of St E's is an accident of history and there are few other opportunities on that scale without wholesale destruction of neighborhoods or parks.
Retailers avoided even Ward 3 until 10-15 years ago. They figured those people would shop in Bethesda and that the rest of us would make our periodic voyages to the big boxes in Virginia. Then they ran out of suburban markets and "discovered" the city, without any change in the density of the places they "discovered".
by Rich on Dec 24, 2010 9:59 am • link • report
Is there a difference in the height restriction difference in other areas in DC vs. the height restriction- east of the river area? Or is the height restriction the same across the district?
by Ward 7 Citizen on Dec 24, 2010 2:48 pm • link • report
by LuvinDC on Dec 24, 2010 2:53 pm • link • report
@Ward 7 Citizen.... East of the River is not subject to the height restrictions as the original part of the City. The lower density, topography and the fact people are very protective of views and vistas is what limits the height. Marlboro Plaza is probably one of the taller buildings in Ward 7.
@SE Jerome... You make a great point about churches and organizations on this side of town that own property and are just sitting on it.
@LuvinDC... SE Jerome is actually a very articulate person. I don't take him insults at me personally.
by Veronica O. Davis (Ms V) on Dec 24, 2010 3:02 pm • link • report
Are you refering to Marbury Plaza? Either way, I do get your point. Thank you for clarifying the height restriction in Ward 7 for me.
by Ward 7 Citizen on Dec 24, 2010 10:30 pm • link • report
by Veronica O. Davis (Ms V) on Dec 24, 2010 11:33 pm • link • report
by SE Jerome on Dec 25, 2010 2:34 am • link • report
by ccort on Dec 26, 2010 6:57 pm • link • report
for young peole who cannot afford a house anywhere else in the city this neighborhood is perfect. u have to spend time there to see how great it is- that isforthe naysayers.
by kooks on Dec 26, 2010 7:30 pm • link • report
by David Alpert on Dec 27, 2010 11:21 am • link • report
"I say all that to say that the Southside streets are all chopped up and thats why yungins be getting chopped up. One ways, back-cuts in cuts, unpaved alleys, our streets are where murderers can and do lurk."
While neither SE Jerome nor Rich said this explicitly, one of the main points I draw from their comments is that one of the biggest issues facing East of the River is the lack of complete streets, a policy whose implementation is not necessarily reliant on having a street grid. Taking a page (or rather, the first 4 chapters focused solely on sidewalks, and then some) from Jane Jacobs' "The Death and Life of Great American Cities," the issue of sidewalks, and complete streets more broadly, has HUGE impacts on safety and overall prosperity. In one anecdote talking about the falsehood that children are safer playing in suburban public parks than they are on urban streets (a well planned, complete street that has homes and apartments with windows/balconies/porches actually facing the street), she talks about the number of adult eyes on the street. These adults, some of them from the neighborhood, many of them just strangers passing through, didn't have their eyes on the children because they were particularly concerned about them, but because the street's design lent itself to that kind of visibility. At one point, she recalls counting something like 12 children playing in the street in front of her house, all within eyesight of about 14 or more adults at any given time, many of them passersby from other parts of town. Said strangers, along with some residents of the street, made swift work of a scuffle between the children over a bag of candy.
Now, the density of her Greenwich Village neighborhood in NYC, compared to the much lower densities found East of the River, is not really an issue here. Those children weren't safe because the neighborhood was dense (see Jane Jacobs' eye-opening critiques of even the most subtle screw-ups - which make a huge difference - in the design of high-density public housing projects). Overall neighborhood safety is an issue East of the River in large part due to the fact that the built environment there is insular, as SE Jerome pointed out: lacking in adequate sidewalks, mixed-use zoning, businesses and homes oriented toward the street, etc.). As Rich pointed out, it's too easy to get caught up with density as the best or most desirable solution to the challenges faced by those living East of the River.
by Kenney on Dec 27, 2010 3:40 pm • link • report
by Fritz on Dec 27, 2010 4:17 pm • link • report
And of course, so sad what the Village has become. Another page out of Jane Jacobs, in concise, simplified form: too many rich people in one area = decline, too many poor people in one area = decline. Jacobs' quaintly prosperous and diverse lower/mid Manhattan is no more. Fortunately, hope resides in Harlem, Bronx, Brooklyn etc., but I wouldn't take it for granted.
by Kenney on Dec 27, 2010 4:47 pm • link • report
Also, can you imagine the awesome dog parks we will have.
By the way, does anyone have any information on when the redevelopment of the East of the River shopping center is supposed to start? Thanks.
by Lady Elle on Dec 28, 2010 8:20 am • link • report
There are reasons people enjoy living in Ledroit, Michigan Park, Fort Dupont, Hillcrest, et. al. Many times it seems the discussions about changing areas always falls on what "yuppies" want when they shouldn't always be the subjects of what development needs - hell I imagine that even "they" don't want to be a part of every discussion. The areas around the new DHS would benefit well from nice coffee shops, a sit down restaurant or two and I'm sure other things. It does NOT need to be a U Street.
Hey, another Ray's the steaks would be nice!!!
by HogWash on Dec 28, 2010 10:52 am • link • report
by Ward 7 Citizen on Dec 29, 2010 12:58 am • link • report
"of course everyone wants walkability to the amenities"
This is just not true. You look at the way much of the suburbs has not only developed, but the direction it is currently taking, and its clear that there are a heck of a lot of people out there who want nothing to do with walking, bike lanes, or anything of the sort. For whatever growing popularity urbanism has in this country, there's still a tremendous amount of push-back from reactionaries, and those who are heavily invested in the suburban way of life. You're fooling yourself if you think that there aren't a sizeable minority in this city who aren't still operating in those old modes where "suburban" == "success".
by oboe on Dec 30, 2010 9:30 am • link • report
Thanks for the great insight--seriously.
Though I notice your literary conceit (e.g. "dem" "da" "dese", etc...) started to flag there at the end. That's not a bad thing. When not even the author can keep it up, you know it's time to reevaluate. Just sayin'.
:)
by oboe on Dec 30, 2010 9:38 am • link • report
Did you see the green roofs and walls (literally) on the proposed Homeland Security buildings? Wow, and in Ward 8 no less. After decades of hardly anything new, its nice to see construction cranes in that area.
by kevin on Dec 31, 2010 1:55 am • link • report
by Lady Elle on Dec 31, 2010 9:35 am • link • report
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