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DC primaries should be scrapped

Come the night of September 14th, DC's primary election day, the identity of the city's next mayor will be known. Barring some last minute write-in campaign, most campaigning will slow to a trickle and the victor will engage in a two month victory lap till November.


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This is true because of the District's overwhelming Democratic population. Once the party has decided on a candidate, no other contender has a viable chance in November. Democrats generally defend this system and say, hey, it's not their fault that the Republicans and Statehood Greens can't field a candidate with a real shot. And they're right.

But nonetheless, DC's primary election system has no legitimate purpose and should be scrapped in favor of an instant run-off voting system for the general election.

I can only think of a few legitimate purposes for a primary election, and they either don't or shouldn't apply to DC. First, a primary allows a party to unite its resources around a single candidate in order to wage a general election campaign. In DC there is no general election campaign. Either Gray or Fenty will win the primary and then mail it in for the next two months.

Second, a primary allows a party to unite its vote around a single candidate so that a "spoiler candidate" doesn't split the party and allow another party's candidate to win. Whether or not this was ever a legitimate goal, it simply wouldn't apply if the city were to adopt a preferential voting system.

The most compelling reason to scrap DC's primaries is enfranchisement. This is because even though the primary election is the de facto general election, there are always more District residents that show up for the actual general election. For instance, in 2008 the general election turnout was over five times the size of the primary turnout.

Sure, you say, lots of people showed up to vote for Obama. Ok, but how do you explain 2006? Over 10 percent more people voted in the general election than did in the primary, even though it wasn't a presidential election and there was not one genuinely competitive race on the ballot. So even though Fenty was already "measuring the drapes", over 10,000 more people showed up to vote. In 2002, another non-presidential election year, over 27% more people showed up in November than in September.

The simple fact is that even though anyone can sign up as a Democrat and vote in the primary, only a minority of registered voters actually do so. During the last three mayoral election years (2006, 2002 and 1998), the percentage of registered voters that voted in the Democratic primary has held steady at 25, 27 and 26 respectively.

Even in the highly charged 1994 primary when Marion Barry returned from jail to defeat Sharon Pratt Kelly, only 39 percent of registered voters voted in the Democratic primary. During the non-mayoral years, that number falls off the charts, averaging just 12 percent.

Expect these numbers to fall even further once the District moves the primary to the middle of summer in order to comply with the new MOVE Act, which requires ballots to be sent to overseas voters by 45 days before the general election (a deadline this year the District almost certainly won't make).

So as it exists, the system magnifies the voice of a small dedicated bloc of voters. Does the rest of the electorate have to rubber stamp this decision? Of course not, but the very nature of the primary system ensures that there are no other viable Democrats left on the ballot by the time of the general election. Since the only way to be a viable candidate is to run for the Democratic primary, the rest of the electorate is left with little choice but to rubber stamp the primary results. It's a feedback loop.

A lot of these problems are hardly unique to the District. But their effects are exacerbated by the city's political demographics. If we genuinely care about democratic participation and want our elections to better reflect the will of the whole electorate, we should adopt an instant runoff voting system.

How this would work would be that all candidates that qualify would appear on the November ballot. Voters would then rank the candidates in order of their preference. Through a simple multi-step process, the candidate with the most aggregate support is determined.

Unfortunately there appears to be little appetite in the District government to increase voter enfranchisement in this manner. Councilmember David Catania's modest proposal to open up the primaries to unaffiliated voters was roundly rejected. Then yesterday, fearful that it would create a de facto open primary, the elections board upheld a bar against independent voters changing their affiliations to Democrat within 30 days of the primary.

Starting this year, non-registered residents can register right up to Election Day. Thus a person who has lived in the city for, say, 10 years and just never registered (or alternatively, a brand new resident that was a registered Republican in his or her last state) will be able to register and vote as a Democrat on the day of the primary. But if you are a registered independent voter who only just now got interested in the election and want to participate in the only vote that really matters, tough luck.

While I believe this particular decision is unjust and possibly a violation of Equal Protection, I don't mean to suggest that the District's primary system as a whole is unfair. It's not. But there is no legitimate reason to keep it as is when a much better option is available.

Topher Mathews has lived in the DC area since 1999. He created the Georgetown Metropolitan in 2008 to report on news and events for the neighborhood and to advocate for changes that will enhance its urban form and function. A native of Wilton, CT, he lives with his wife and new daughter in Georgetown.  

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So, is Gray going to win or what?

by Lou on Aug 26, 2010 3:29 pm • linkreport

There's another distressing pitfall in the election law -- party affiliation -- if you're unaffiliated with a political party, you can't vote in the primaries, and cannot declare or change your affiliation within 30 days of the primary.

However, if you're unregistered, you can register and vote on the 14th. I can't quite wrap my head around how that makes any sense.

(I only learned of this rule after the BoE mailed me a sample ballot and registration information...2 days after the deadline to declare a party change. WTF.)

by andrew on Aug 26, 2010 3:36 pm • linkreport

I agree with Andrew – how is it that people can register to vote the same-day, but we can't change party affiliation same-day?

by Chris on Aug 26, 2010 3:38 pm • linkreport

Oh, snap. You mentioned that in your last paragraph. However, the huge WTF about mailing sample ballots 20 days before the election, when most deadlines happen 30 days prior remains.

by andrew on Aug 26, 2010 3:38 pm • linkreport

If Fenty loses the primary in a close race, I wouldn't be surprised to see him run as an independent in the general, figuring that republicans and independents would put him over the top.

by jcm on Aug 26, 2010 3:43 pm • linkreport

If you want to abolish the primary, why not just go all the way and make all the elections non-partisan, as most of the small towns in the area do. Then the bureaucrats could run too.

by Jim on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 pm • linkreport

The other thing that a primary does (combined with a two party system in general) is make so that in the general election, the winner is very likely to have an overall majority of the votes cast. If there were many viable candidates in a 1 round Primary/General election in November, someone could become mayor with only 20 or 30 percent support. I think that's why a few 1 party cities (Seattle comes to mind) do a completely open primary, and the top two advance to the general. Then Republicans and Greens can vote for who they want in the primary, and actually vote for Fenty or Gray in the General

by arlucbo on Aug 26, 2010 3:50 pm • linkreport

arlicbo: The instant runoff system also takes care of that. If A has 40% support, B 35% and C 25%, but all the B voters like C second best and all the C voters like B second best, then C would be eliminated, but all of C's votes redistributed to the voters' second choices, meaning B would get most of them and end up beating A. Whereas a simple plurality open primary would end up electing A.

by David Alpert on Aug 26, 2010 3:54 pm • linkreport

"Once the party has decided on a candidate, no other contender has a viable chance in November."

Absurd.

Anthony Williams won as a write-in candidate, and Carol Schwartz (R) made a pretty damn good showing against the Mayor for Life in 1994.

If Fenty runs as an independent after losing the primary, which would hardly surprise me, he'd still get every single vote he got in the primary.

The thing about local elections is that only people who give a crap go and vote at all. There is no reason to believe that more than a tiny number will vote the democratic ticket in this election just because it's the democratic ticket.

by Jamie on Aug 26, 2010 4:09 pm • linkreport

Great idea! The current primary system is an arbitrary screening mechanism that serves little purpose. An instant runoff system would be great!

by TimK on Aug 26, 2010 4:23 pm • linkreport

As someone who grew up in the Seattle area, I hate primaries. The current system in WA State was adopted after the beloved open blanket primary was ruled unconstitutional. Basically, in the current system in WA State, if a person qualifies to run, they appear on the ballot and the top two finishers move to the general election. That includes federal elections. Of course, it is being challenged in court by the Democrats and Republicans on freedom of association.

In the county south of Seattle, Pierce County, they tried to implement instant run off voting. However, it proved so unpopular among voters that they held a referendum to get rid of it. The voters found it too confusing and too expensive to implement. I was sad to see it go.

As for DC, I think instant run off would be a great idea, especially because I am unaffiliated and have given up on the idea of voting in the District because everything is decided in the primary.

by DEUhl on Aug 26, 2010 4:23 pm • linkreport

I second the idea that Fenty would have a good shot at winning the general election as an independent even if he loses narrowly in the primary.

by C on Aug 26, 2010 4:23 pm • linkreport

Jamie,
Williams won as a write-in during the primary, not the general election. And yes, I'll admit that running against an embarrassed ex-con will make a marginal candidate approach viableness. Keep in mind that Schwartz still lost by 14% of the vote. Most people wouldn't consider that a particularly competitive race.

Fenty can't "run as an independent" because he would've had to submit enough signatures by Wednesday. If he loses the primary, his only chance would be to run a long shot write in campaign or, interestingly, if enough Republicans write his name in on their primary (not a long shot really, since nobody else's name is on the ballot).

by Topher on Aug 26, 2010 4:33 pm • linkreport

The instant runoff system sounds awfully confusing. I believe if people don't understand a voting system, they won't participate in it. But I like the idea of advancing the top 2 finishers in each primary to the general. That gives unaffiliated voters more of a voice in the final outcome.

by Marina Streznewski on Aug 26, 2010 4:33 pm • linkreport

Funny- I don't even see a Topher Mathews registered to vote in DC, yet he has voiced his opinion.

by Steve on Aug 26, 2010 4:35 pm • linkreport

"Williams won as a write-in during the primary" Yes - but the point is the same. The mayoral race is not an election of democrats versus anyone else in this town. It's an election of name recognition, and there will be few people voting who don't know who's on the menu.

"Most people wouldn't consider that a particularly competitive race." In 1994, when the city was way more black than it is today, it's actually a profound accomplishment.

I bet if Fenty ran a write-in campaign he'd still have a shot in the general election. Anyway, we shall see. I just don't see him giving up if he loses the primary.

If he was smart, actually, he'd be telling the repubs to write him in, as you suggest.

by Jamie on Aug 26, 2010 4:39 pm • linkreport

Steve:

First of all, Topher is typically a nickname for Christopher.

And second, we have a rule here that everyone is entitled to voice an opinion regardless of where they live, what they do, who they are, etc. So Topher would be entirely entitled to voice an opinion if he weren't registered, but I'm pretty sure he is.

by David Alpert on Aug 26, 2010 4:40 pm • linkreport

I wonder what you would find if you (could?) look at WHO was voting in the primaries versus the election (e.g. is it the same people from the primaries, PLUS additional people, or is it ALL NEW people?)

That seems like a major question to answer - are the election-time voters mostly republicans and independents, or Democrats?

The thing about the primaries that really irk me is that they disenfranchise independent voters - and yes, I realize that our system is basically set up to disenfranchise independent voters - but Republicans also have a primary so at least it's equitable. For independent voters, there is really no election.

by Allison on Aug 26, 2010 4:43 pm • linkreport

Very good idea. I'm on board. It'd save money too.

Something else, "weird" that we could do.

I am currently involved in bidding on a bicycle facilities project in Tennessee, and while reading local newspapers, I learned that their local elections work on a different time frame not in lockstep with the state and national election schedule.

For example, the Hamilton County Commission had primary elections in May, and then the general election for the county commission occurred in the first week of August, simultaneously with the primary election for state and national offices.

So while there will still be a general election in November for state and national offices, the county elections will be over, and those who have been elected will take office beforehand.

And note that Pierce County, Washington does ranked voting in local elections.

http://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.com/2008/11/ranked-choice-voting-graphic-pierce.html

by Richard Layman on Aug 26, 2010 4:45 pm • linkreport

Ha, yes I am registered and have been since I moved here. Yay Motor Voter Bill!

by Topher on Aug 26, 2010 4:47 pm • linkreport

If Fenty loses the primary, he might be well-advised to graciously concede defeat. If he wants to stay (or come back to) politics, burning bridges with the Democratic party may not help, and failing to accept defeat would just reinforce the stereotype that many people have about him. One ought not assume that everyone who votes for him in the primary would do so again.

by Jim on Aug 26, 2010 4:59 pm • linkreport

You left out the enormous costs to the Board of Elections and Ethics, DC Public Schools, Police Department and other agencies to run twice as many elections. Each election requires programming and delivery of equipment, purchasing supplies (including ballots) and hiring poll workers. Recruiting, training, and scheduling poll workers is not a trivial task.

I fear that despite the logic here, this is too confusing for voters to understand. Many voters do not understand the existing system which is comparatively straightforward. You would not believe the number of people who showed up at the polls in November 2008 even though they were registered in other states. (This is not because DC has an odd voter registration requirement. Only 9 states, representing less than 10% of the US population, have election day registration.)

What is confounding is the fact that you can register to vote on election day, but you can't change party affiliation on election day. If you're going to have election-day registration, you should have open primaries (which, unlike blanket primaries, are constitutional). Idaho, Minnesota and Wisconsin have this combination of open primaries and election day registration, although 15 states have open primaries (including medium to large states such as Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri, Texas, and Virginia).

A non-partisan ballot may be the best way to go, but this would be opposed by the Republicans and Statehood/Green parties. Most DC Republicans would be running as Democrats in almost any other jurisdiction, and the Statehood/Green party owes its survival to the minority-party seats on the Council.

by Stanton Park on Aug 26, 2010 5:07 pm • linkreport

I think the DC primary systemm artificially inflates the % of registered Democrats in the city as well. I know many people, including myself, who are not in any way Democrats, but nevertheless felt compelled to register that way to have a voice in this city. The deomcratic primary is the defacto election day. If I don't have my say then, my vote is meaningless.

by G-man on Aug 26, 2010 5:23 pm • linkreport

How is this going to change anything?

Politically, it might make a few endorsements by democratic interest groups -- such as LGBT -- much less important in Mayoral races. And it might drive turnout up a bit for the general election.

But the reality is for the next 20 years DC will still be dominated by African American voters. Far too whites are transient or too rich (and don't want to pay DC taxes). HIspanics are often illegals. Africans are also immigrants and have low turnout.

So, again, to win you're going to have to feed that beast. In fact, you could probably win (like Barry) in a PR system just by feeding that beast. That would seem to be a lose in the GGW crusade to turn DC into Portland, OR.

It's called politics, it's not perfect. Ass-hat ideas like this should be shelved. See the Arlington at-large reform push. My sense is DC electoral politics works OK. DC government doesn't but that is another problem.

If you want real reform, give Anacosita/River East/whatever/ back to Maryland, or turn it into a separate city. That would solve your problems with DC politics, and fast.

Or is this just white-panic about Gray possibly winning?

by charlie on Aug 26, 2010 5:38 pm • linkreport

No, no, no.

First, and most importantly, IRV most DEFINITELY DOES have "spoilers".

If you presume that everyone in the world is hyper-partisan, or that third parties will never amount to anything, then I could see why you would think otherwise. So let me provide proof-by-example:

45%: A > B > C
10%: B > A > C
10%: B > C > A
35%: C > A > A

If this election is just A vs. B, then B wins, 55% to 45%.

But when you add candidate C, then A WINS. C is a spoiler. IRV has spoilers.

There are, however, voting methods which have no spoilers, even in 3-candidate races.

One is called approval voting: instead of only being able to vote for one candidate, you can vote for as many as you want. As before, the most votes wins.

Some people feel this doesn't give them enough control; for them, I would suggest you advocate for score voting, which is just like approval, but instead of just two "levels" to choose from (approve/disapprove), there are more (maybe 3, maybe 5, maybe 100... whatever your election commission thinks is appropriate). The highest total score wins.

If you think it through, you will find that, when adding additional candidates, the winner will ONLY change if the new candidate becomes the winner; and when removing candidates, the winner will ONLY change if you have removed the winner. Which is not the case for IRV, or for plurality (or for any Condorcet, Borda, Bucklin, or any other type of election method you might be familiar with.)

Please, do yourself a favor, and look into approval and score voting.

by Dale Sheldon-Hess on Aug 26, 2010 5:57 pm • linkreport

Race-baiting, really? Many people who actually study these things think IRV wouldn't be a bad idea nationwide in general elections, charlie. However, the District is a particularly good place for it, since the primary is basically a surrogate for the general election here and wastes a lot of time and money while receiving lower turnout than the actual election. I'm a Borda Count fan myself.

by Nate on Aug 26, 2010 6:01 pm • linkreport

charlie, and others.

I should note that while I favor moving to a system like this, I think any electoral reform should be done with a long lead time so as to not be a factor in any immediate elections.

My support of this has nothing to do with the current election.

by TimK on Aug 26, 2010 6:16 pm • linkreport

Dale, I agree that approval and score voting will address some flaws in IRV. But as the New Yorker recently argued, no system is without some flaws. In my opinion, IRV is the most easy for voters to understand and accept.

by Topher on Aug 26, 2010 6:16 pm • linkreport

Kenneth Arrow won a Nobel prize demonstrating that there is basically no truly "fair" election system. At some point, the system itself becomes a factor in how things turn out.

That said, given the one-sided nature of DC, I would go with a non-partisan election, with an open primary in which the top two vote-getters advance to the general election.

As for switching parties, Republicans and Statehood Greens are in a tough spot. On the one hand, if they want to truly have a voice, they should register as Democrats. However, if they ever hope to build up a viable party, they need to remain registered with their party.

by urbaner on Aug 26, 2010 6:44 pm • linkreport

@Urbaner: Arrow's proof showed that there is no system which can convert a populations *rank-ordered* preferences to a societal rank-ordered preference while obeying a set of five obviously-important axioms.

A lot of work has gone on in the interim to break one of those axioms in the least-damaging way possible.

But more importantly, the systems for which I am advocating, approval voting and score voting, do not use rank-ordered preferences, and so Arrow's axiom is inapplicable. That said... these methods still aren't perfect, and there probably ISN'T a perfect system. But Arrow's work doesn't show that. These methods do, for one reasonable extension of his axioms so that they can be applied, successfully pass them when there are THREE or fewer candidates (all other voting systems pass them when there are TWO or fewer candidates.) I hope it's obvious that that is quite a big deal.

@Topher: to address your concerns, I will try to describe IRV, approval, and score, completely and as succinctly as possible.

Approval: vote for any number of candidates; the candidate with the most votes wins.

Score: give any score from within the assigned range to any or all candidates; the highest total score wins.

IRV: rank the candidates from highest down; sort ballots by their 1st-ranked candidate; (A); if any candidate has 50% of the ballots, they win; if not, eliminate the candidate with the fewest ballots and redistribute them to the next, remaining, ranked candidate; repeat from (A).

I have honestly tried to to explain all methods in the simplest way which fully describes them; if you disagree with any of my descriptions, please, you are welcome to do better.

But I think it's obvious, just from these descriptions (I haven't even gone into algorithmic complexity!), that IRV is, in fact, NOT "simpler".

by Dale Sheldon-Hess on Aug 26, 2010 7:35 pm • linkreport

Let's face it - when you have a primary in September and a general election in November, you don't have a campaign season. Maybe part of this reason is being right next to MD which also has very short campaign seasons.

Why not have a primary in May or June when you can have enough time to: a) have a primary runoff if needed; and b) have a decent enough time to get over the primary and have a full campaign on the issues.

IRV doesn't ensure a majority winner in a single election - ask the voters in San Francisco how many real majority winners they have had with IRV?

Ask the voters in Minneapolis if IRV saved them money over having a primary and a general election? One single IRV election cost them $365K MORE than holding a primary and a runoff in 2005 (even adjusted for inflation). Minneapolis had the lowest turnout in over 100 years with their first IRV election.

They had a 300% higher spoiled ballot rate with IRV in 2009 over the spoiled ballot rate of a traditional election.

If you want to cast a vote for a candidate in your party and then get behind whoever your party nominates, you need more time. Move the primary a few months earlier. IRV won't make that any better - in fact IRV dilutes party support of a candidate in a general election.

by Chris Telesca on Aug 26, 2010 7:45 pm • linkreport

Topher: I'd love to see some sort of independent test of different voting methods done by a group with no dog in the hunt.

Here in Cary, NC back in 2007, 25% of voters showed up on election day and didn't know they would have to rank choices. That was a poll done by IRV advocates who also provided voter education for voters before they went into the polls. A year later, the Town of Cary hired a real polling company to do a survey of voters - and a little over 30% of voters didn't understand IRV, including over 20% that didn't understand it at all. This is in a town that has my states largest % of college grads and PhDs. In 2009, the Town decided not to hold another IRV election.

Do you really think it's as easy to cast three votes on a ballot than it is one? Do you think it's possible to count those votes on modern voting machines?

Trust me - IRV isn't as simple as people claim it is.

by Chris Telesca on Aug 26, 2010 7:51 pm • linkreport

As an enrolled Democrat I have no interest in non-Democrats being able to have a role in the selection of my party's candidates for public office. States have closed primaries to prevent people from other parties from interferring in a party's nomination process. In competitive jurisdictions people can come in and vote for the perceived weaker candidate in a primary when their party's candidate is a shoe-in for his or her nomination.

If you don't like it that Democrats predominate here you have the choice of either joining our party and trying to change the type of candidates that we nominate or joining another party and trying to convince 50.111% of the voters that your candidate is best.

If you are really an independent then you can wait until November and pick among the offerings from the various parties. It's all your choice.

P.S. The Council should try and close the loophole they have created by same day registration and party selection.

by Center-Left Dem. on Aug 26, 2010 8:04 pm • linkreport

Chris Telesca, what makes you think that a few more months between the primary and the general would somehow make DC voters vote Republican or Statehood Green or Socialist Workers or independent? Having the primary earlier will just mean a longer useless general election "campaign" where nothing happens.

by Keith Ivey on Aug 26, 2010 8:10 pm • linkreport

I don't believe a defeated primary candidate can then get on the ballot as an Independent for the same office in the November DC general election. I recall there was some talk of Carol Schwartz trying to do that after Patrick Mara defeated her in the GOP Primary two years ago, but she had to run as an write-in and was handily defeated by Michael Brown.

So Fenty would have to run a write-in campaign in November, unless enough Republicans write him in on their line that he would be the GOP candidate in the general election.

by Mike on Aug 26, 2010 8:13 pm • linkreport

Well aren't you folks quite the intellects,you're going to come and save the savages from themselves, really, you clowns are a real joke, don't you know that real natives have been watching people like you come and go for wave upon wave of gentrification effort.With every new executive that occupies the white house, their are new folks like you. Instead of truly trying to find ways to coexist you're acting like elitist that know whats best slaves,that very thinking caused the demise of many a civilization. Stop being jerks cause you feel that your boy's in trouble and man up,make the best of what it's going to be.I know having a real intellect as Mayor probably scares the hell out of you, doesn't it, but believe me, it's what we need after having the kid running around on his bike.

by another native on Aug 26, 2010 8:46 pm • linkreport

A lot of pouting from wonkish people and the odd racist.

I've lived in places with "non-partisan" elections. They end up being elections between 2 plausible candidates from the dominant party.

Can't change party on election day--the whole idea is to have an affiliation and have that represent something. My grandfather, a man described by his son, my Dad, as an ignorant superstitious man decided to become a Republican because he couldn't vote for a GOPer in a Democratic party. I'm not sure he was a good example of why people should be able to change.

Most independents lean toward one party or another but won't admit it. The others are the scary "undecided voters" who can't decide between obviously different people like Bush and Kerry or McCain and Obama. Yes, politically stupid people should be able to vote, but the system should minimize the damage.

There aren't and aren't enough GOPers in DC to make much difference in a mayoral election. that's why the council has affirmative action for some slots.

Give Anacostia back to Maryland? What happens when it starts to gentrify? There are plenty of awful politicians elected by white people, including white people with money. Just look at Doug "I love developers" Duncan or that twit Ehrlich, not to mention a lot of pols in Prince William County and many statewide figures in Virginia (e.g., George Allen, John Warner, Chuck Robb, not to mention the current governor and AG).

Want your vote to count? Vote in the Dem primary. I figured that out the first year I lived here. Not difficult to figure out and I'm a Dem. A GOPer? No chance in November anyway--support your favorite council candidate. An independent? Figure out who you really are and if you're someone who couldn't pick between Bush and Kerry, try to vote for things you actually know something about, instead everything else.

by Rich on Aug 26, 2010 8:47 pm • linkreport

"As an enrolled Democrat I have no interest in non-Democrats being able to have a role in the selection of my party's candidates for public office"

And yet you have this. Those who are willing to falsely claim to be Democrats can vote in the primary, then submit their party affiliation change right after the election.

by Brian White on Aug 26, 2010 9:21 pm • linkreport

"Can't change party on election day--the whole idea is to have an affiliation and have that represent something"

And yet it doesn't represent anything. Anyone is free to change their affiliation in time for the primary, then change it back.

"An independent? Figure out who you really are"

I don't like the Democrats or the Republicans. I'm neither.

by Brian White on Aug 26, 2010 9:24 pm • linkreport

Another Native:
Where in your reading of this post do you extrapolate this as an effort for waves of gentrifiers trying drive native washingtonians out? How is a post arguing for making voting simpler (for all residents not just the new ones)somehow an argument for disenfrachising voters as you say when you assume those who like this plan are intent on keeping people from not coming from the polls. Please tell me you're trolling because your comment so far is the only one that strikes me as being discriminatory by assuming that all the readers/commenters of this blog share the same values.

Full disclosure, I don't live in DC but would maybe like too and would regardless like to see the city given a chance to be fairly managed as I wish for every locality.

by Canaan on Aug 26, 2010 11:13 pm • linkreport

This is so interesting.

The argument presumes that the dominant political party should have no say in its own candidate since as a practical matter everybody has to live with its decisions. I am an independent, I'd rather there be no parties, but I don't suppose the parties would agree with me.

The more you analyze this the more it appears that the author gives a bunch of rationalizations to put their thumb on the political scale to their favor. In truth DC has enough diversity in candidates to choose from to get a good representatives (they are just usually democrat, all respect to Carol Schwartz).

Republicans should decide for themselves who their candidate is, independents should accept that they probably wont have a say, and democrats should pick their candidate.

by CitizenZ on Aug 27, 2010 12:02 am • linkreport

@canaan, let's be real, we both know that Adrian Fenty has been a crusader in the gentrifying of DC, and now that he's in trouble, all of these so called alternative electoral idea's or as citizen Z says scale tilting thumbs come out of the wood work. What else is it?

by another native on Aug 27, 2010 12:59 am • linkreport

Yeah that must be it. I am pretty sure I rant to this stuff about anyone who will listen anytime any election is coming up, speaking for myself. Has nothing to do with this election. I don't have any particular interest in the trajectory of DC government anymore, I don't think Fenty is better than Gray (I may very well toss a coin in the voting booth, I think they both have serious flaws), and the way you're using the word gentrifying appears to be pretty much straight up code for 'white people in non-white neighborhoods'. Your rhetoric is all non-constructive, divisive, and us-vs.-them and just makes things worse for everyone.

by Nate on Aug 27, 2010 1:44 am • linkreport

I think your proposal is a great one. The current system is ridiculous.

Another alternative would be the type of the municipal voting-election system that Chicago has in place. (Please, readers, hold your fire.)

For years Chicago has elected its 50 aldermen on a non-partisan basis. There are two rounds. On the first round all candidates are on the ballot. If a candidate gets a majority, that's it; game over. No majority? The top two finishers proceed to the runoff.

The mayoral and citywide offices did not adopt this system until about 10 or so years ago. For those offices, Chicago went through the same ridiculous process that DC does -- until changing citywide offices to the same system as the City Council.

by mattyillini on Aug 27, 2010 7:47 am • linkreport

Great proposal. The whole proposal that voters should be limited to choose between one of two (or three or four) candidates as proposed by major parties smacks of 'being set up' vs. actually getting a real say in who is going to be elected. You know, it's not that long ago that primaries themselves didn't exist and that party candidates got put forth on to the ballot as a party's candidate ... after having been chosen in some smoke-filled back room by the party's 'powers that be'. So while the primaries may have been a step in the right direction, it's probably about time we started looking past them ... and not only in DC. The voters should get a chance at electing the best man or woman for a particular office and not be restricted to what a party puts forward. And people are starting to realize that. They're less and less willing to accept that 'a party' should be there to choose policies and goals that really need to be chosen by the individual voter at the individual candidate level. Witnes the growing number of independent voters. Yeah, we'll probably go the way of Europe where you have half a dozen parties in play before we end up some day getting rid of parties altogether, but it's a day to look forward to. And setting up a voting system that totally ignores parties is a great first step toward that ideal.

by Lance on Aug 27, 2010 8:15 am • linkreport

another native wrote:

Well aren't you folks quite the intellects,you're going to come and save the savages from themselves, really, you clowns are a real joke, don't you know that real natives have been watching people like you come and go for wave upon wave of gentrification effort.

...then Canaan wrote:

Full disclosure, I don't live in DC but would maybe like too and would regardless like to see the city given a chance to be fairly managed as I wish for every locality.

Look out "another native"!! Canaan's coming to displace you!!

:)

by oboe on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 am • linkreport

@canaan, let's be real, we both know that Adrian Fenty has been a crusader in the gentrifying of DC, and now that he's in trouble, all of these so called alternative electoral idea's or as citizen Z says scale tilting thumbs come out of the wood work. What else is it?

I look forward to hearing your critique of Gray's performance in 2012. My guess is that, under a Gray Administration, black folks will still be allowed to sell private homes to non-blacks. Since this is essentially "gentrification", I hope you won't be disappointed.

by oboe on Aug 27, 2010 10:43 am • linkreport

"Adrian Fenty has been a crusader in the gentrifying of DC"

This is just silly. Nobody is a "crusader" for gentrifying. Gentrification is an effect, not a cause.

by Jamie on Aug 27, 2010 10:48 am • linkreport

Keith: What makes you think those other parties have anything to offer your average DC voter? Certainly having more time to campaign would give candidates more time to communicate their message to voters. More time is better than less time.

Voters certainly wouldn't have a clue about GOP, Statehood Green, Socialist Workers, etc., with IRV - they'd only vote for one candidate they liked (probably a Dem) then either not vote for anyone else, or cast meaningless "donkey" votes.

by Chris Telesca on Aug 27, 2010 7:06 pm • linkreport

Open primaries are worthless.

We have Same Day Voter Registration for Early Voting in NC. We allow new voters to register, but existing voters can only update address info - not change parties. If you want to change parties you can't do that any earlier than 15 days.

UNA voters can vote one party or the other in the primary, but they have to stick with that party for any primary runoffs.

Frankly I favor closed primaries. Primaries are about party activists picking who they want to represent their party in the general election. Letting people into the Democratic Primary who are not Dems can screw things up. Ever wonder how Alvin "Mystery Man" Greene beat a well-known Dem in the SC Senate primary? Probably because they have open primaries in SC.

Open primaries are a so-called electoral reform which makes it easy to claim that IRV will work. Problem is, parties perform a very valuable function and shouldn't be done away with.

by Chris Telesca on Aug 27, 2010 7:14 pm • linkreport

Score Voting, and its simplified form called Approval Voting, are just vastly simpler than and superior to IRV.

http://scorevoting.net/CFERlet.html

by Clay Shentrup on Aug 27, 2010 8:44 pm • linkreport

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