Pedestrians
Is this pedestrian safety or just pedestrian removal?
If you take the Metro to White Flint, Montgomery County welcomes you with a large and unfriendly wall. The county Department of Transportation built the wall several years ago to stop pedestrians from using a popular, existing crosswalk.
White Flint didn't always look like this. In 1988, four years after Metro arrived in the area, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission opened across the street from the station. The Planning Board required a "traffic mitigation" program. As part of this program, the sidewalk in front of the NRC building was set back from Rockville Pike so that it led directly to the Metro. A marked crosswalk connected the sidewalk to the station entrance.
The traffic mitigation program worked very well. Today, 36% of NRC employees commute by transit. As a result, the crosswalk was heavily used. But the Planning Board requirement expired in 2004, and just one year later, MCDOT removed the crosswalk and built a wall to stop pedestrians from making their way across the road at that location.
Now, pedestrians are forced to detour 40 feet to the left, where they must wait at a very slow traffic light. The county claims that the crosswalk was eliminated in the interest of pedestrian safety.
Unfortunately, this claim does not stand up to scrutiny. The only hazard to pedestrians in the crosswalk was that of drivers who violated the law by failing to yield. But this hazard exists at all crosswalks in the county; at crossings without traffic lights, drivers rarely yield to pedestrians.
In fact, the White Flint crosswalk was often full of people, so drivers obeyed the law and stopped more often than elsewhere. From the pedestrian's point of view, this was likely one of the safest unsignalized crosswalks (given the amount of car traffic) in the county.
The White Flint crosswalk was not removed because it was in the best interests of the pedestrians, but rather, because it was in the best interest of the drivers. Throughout the county, MCDOT encourages drivers to violate the law by leaving crosswalks unmarked, even where there is heavy pedestrian traffic.
Sadly, this is not a unique situation. Another wall was built with a similar goal in mind at New Hampshire Avenue and University Boulevard. In both locations, MCDOT could have made it safer to cross the street by redesigning the road to slow traffic and ticketing drivers who failed to yield. But it appears that this is not the approach the department has embraced. Instead, pedestrians take a backseat to the county's drivers.
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But I have a hard time accepting that a 40 foot "detour" is really that big of a challenge for most pedestrians. Having an unsignalized crosswalk that close to a suburban intersection does present a real problem for traffic throughput if vehicles cannot make it through a green light because of the unsignalized crosswalk.
If the problem is that pedestrians have too long of a wait for a walk signal at the corner, maybe MCDOT could change the phases of the light to better accommodate pedestrian traffic.
by CBGB on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 pm
I believe the signals on Rockville Pike are under the jurisdiction of the Maryland State Highway Administration.
by Matt Johnson on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 pm
by Milton on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 pm
by Steven Yates on Jan 10, 2012 3:41 pm
by Nick on Jan 10, 2012 3:42 pm
if that didn't work: http://i.imgur.com/uicXm.jpg
by Nick on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 pm
Even on red, drivers can ALWAYS go. Turn on red if it's safe, of course.
If a pedestrian has a red? Forgetabout. No "crossing when safe" law for you!
by JJJJJ on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 pm
I believe the higher law of "No Driver Must Be Inconvenienced By A Non-Driver" takes precedence. (c.f. Mount Vernon Trail crossing; Lee Hwy & N. Lynn; etc, etc...)
by oboe on Jan 10, 2012 4:11 pm
by dc denizen on Jan 10, 2012 4:22 pm
If you take the Metro to White Flint, Montgomery County welcomes you with a large and unfriendly wall. The county Department of Transportation built the wall several years ago to stop pedestrians from using a popular, existing crosswalk.
Ben, I thought at first you were speaking of Md. 355 (Rockville Pike), but it's now clear that the wall in question is along Marinelli Road, not Md. 355. As best as I can tell, there's still a walkway across Marinelli just to the east of 355. Does not seem that much of a detour, and there are a lot of buses deadheading to and from the garage to the east of this location (for that reason and others, it's probably a good idea that pedestrians are encouraged to cross at the signalized intersection).
Ben Ross also wrote:
Sadly, this is not a unique situation. Another wall was built with a similar goal in mind at New Hampshire Avenue and University Boulevard. In both locations, MCDOT could have made it safer to cross the street by redesigning the road to slow traffic and ticketing drivers who failed to yield. But it appears that this is not the approach the department has embraced. Instead, pedestrians take a backseat to the county's drivers.
New Hampshire Avenue (Md. 355) and University Boulevard (Md. 193) are both state highways, and besides, Md. 193 defines the northern corporate limit of the City of Takoma Park, which maintains its own streets (except those that are on the state system). Md. 193 is also the boundary between Montgomery County and Prince George's County at this location (somewhat counter-intuitively, blocks to the south are in Takoma Park, Montgomery County, places north are in unincorporated Langley Park, Prince George's County). As a result, I believe that Montgomery County DOT is not to blame for any pedestrian deficiencies at this location.
To the extent that the barriers on the medians encourage people to cross at marked crosswalks, I believe this will reduce the number of persons injured (sometimes fatally) in Langley Park and Takoma Park.
by C P Zilliacus on Jan 10, 2012 4:39 pm
RE: traffic signals are operated by Montgomery County.
by Some Ideas on Jan 10, 2012 4:45 pm
by Ted on Jan 10, 2012 5:13 pm
At most points along University, it is legal to cross in the middle of the block; however, in the middle of the block the pedestrian must yield to the driver. It is no wonder that pedestrians don't go out of their way to cross at the point where drivers are supposed to yield, since in practice the pedestrian has to yield no matter where they cross.
by Ben Ross on Jan 10, 2012 5:53 pm
by Crickey7 on Jan 10, 2012 6:01 pm
by TGEOA on Jan 10, 2012 6:01 pm
by selxic on Jan 10, 2012 6:24 pm
by dcseain on Jan 10, 2012 7:17 pm
by Lance on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 pm
by Lance on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 pm
The road is a public space, but it is one that is currently thought to be owned (including the right to exclude others) by autoists.
The road is a public space. That cars are both really wide and only effective when traveling fast does not mean that in all situations they deserve unfettered access to all stretches of road between intersections. Next to a pedestrian generator (such as a metro station), it seems completely reasonable to allow pedestrians equal access to the public space that is the road. If cars are too bulky to safely share the road, then it is the autoists that should make allowances, because it is the car that has created the dangerous situation.
by Paul on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 pm
A better solution would be to scale the road to the traffic it actually handles and redesign the crosswalk along with it. Absent that option, diverting the pedestrians is the correct choice.
Nothing to see here, move along.
by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 11:24 pm
I think people sometimes forget that there are people in cars. They're not hunks of steel circulating without anyone in there. (At least not yet.)
I.e., It's 'man' (and 'woman') that would have created that dangerous situation ... except .. they didn't. Along with inventing cars to facilitate life for all around, they created rules to go with the safe integration of the use of cars in our public space. And rule number 1 is 'pedestrians can only be in the roadway part of the public space in only very specific situatons including crossing at intersections ....
No, there isn't a dangerous situation out there unless you (or other likeminded folks out there) decide to not follow the rules ... be they pedestrians, drivers, or whoever.
by Lance on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 pm
I agree that current laws dictate that pedestrians generally have to stay out of the roadway. It is the thinking behind those laws - that the quick travel needs of people in cars exceed the quick travel needs of people not in cars - that I take issue with.
I think there are plenty of roads where it is appropriate to give drivers priority, but why are there no roads where pedestrians are given priority?
by Paul on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 am
There is already a pedestrian tunnel at that White Flint intersection but it travels underneath Rockville pike. Yet many people don't use it and walk across the pike anyway. My guess is that they are too lazy to walk down the steps even though there is an escalator to bring them up on each side. If people don't want to use the 'Pike' tunnel, then they certainly won't use a Marinelli tunnel especially because that crossing is shorter and experiences less traffic than the pike crossing.
by Kaleel on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 am
by Froggie on Jan 11, 2012 6:53 am
by crin on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 am
by elmothehobo on Jan 11, 2012 7:52 am
Paul - Current laws do not dictate that pedestrians generally have to keep out of roadways. On the contrary, on that particular block of Marinelli Drive, it would be legal to cross in the middle of the block.
And to all the commenters who say that making pedestrians wait at the traffic light is a trivial inconvenience. Would you feel inconvenienced if the county put up a slow traffic light at the end of your driveway?
by Ben Ross on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 am
Who knows, if the old walkway had still been there and traffic was moving in the old patterns those deaths may have been prevented.
I either walk or drive through that intersection and the broader area regularly, so I think I understand how the changes have encouraged traffic to speed through the general area. Not too far (just seconds in a car) from that intersection there has been a huge reconfiguration of Rockville pike traffic patterns, in a way that prevents pedestrians from using the east side sidewalk that used to be there. Cars move much faster, and pedestrians now have to shuffle from one side to the other to find a sidewalk.
IMHO changes to the configuration of the accident intersection and in the general area, all in the name of allowing all motorists to go faster, was one of the factors leading to those deaths.
http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/driver-suspected-of-drunk-driving-hits-kills-2-pedestrians-on-rockville-pike-19817.html
by B.O. on Jan 11, 2012 9:25 am
Could you please explain this proposed analogy? I don't the analogy between the 2 situations.
by Lance on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 am
Froggie, pedestrians were killed there, just not at that exact crosswalk: http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/8187/mdot-improving-pedestrian-safety-in-the-wake-of-tragedy/
There is no reason to take a place that's bad for pedestrians and make it worse. I just makes no sense. Why did MCDOT spend money to disrupt a situation that was working an replace it with something that's hostile to pedestrians?
by Cavan on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 am
Glad to see GGW has started the new year with some faux hysteria.
I wouldn't paint GGW with that broad a brush, but this article certainly.
by Fitz on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 am
Maybe because expecting drivers to both yield to pedestrians at a crosswalk AND follow the commands of a traffic signal 40 feet off was even more hostile a situation? AND a good fair solution existed? Why is it that while drivers can see both sides of a situation like this, those represent the pedestrians point of view seem completely blind to anything but their own interests? Could it be that those presenting the drivers' point of view are ALSO pedestrians in many situations? But that those presenting the pedestrians' point of view, NEVER are also drivers. One of the first posting on here said it all when they explained that they spend most of their time walking and/or using mass transit, RARELY driving, but that they fully understood the reasonableness of this change. Perhaps walking in another's shoes might help educate some of these individuals hell bent on opposing anything which means any sort of compromise or effort (or even 'waiting' in this case) on their part. Life is a two-way street. The rules need to seek fair and efficient compromises. They can't be written just to help you.
by Lance on Jan 11, 2012 9:56 am
Trying to cross Wisconsin Ave from West to East in downtown Bethesda to get to Trader Joe's is pedestrian polo for drivers determined to maintain high speeds so that they can sit at the red light that much longer. Yes, drivers terrorize pedestrians in the marked crossing to get to a red light all the faster.
I have NEVER, as in EVER seen any police officers enforcing the sanctity of this pedestrian crossing or acting on behalf of pedestrians anywhere in Bethesda. [Cars making illegal right turns onto Leland from Woodmont is another pedestrian polo site]
Given the precedent of what has happened at the NRC, I assume they'll fill in the turning space with a wall and make Trader Joe's move to discourage those pesky pedestrians!
by Capt. Hilts on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 am
by Capt. Hilts on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 am
Your traffic light/driveway analogy makes little sense - my driveway is private space, the white flint metro is public space.
I think the point "all the commenters" who think waiting at traffic lights is a trivial inconvenience are correct in this case. (and just so I can remain on the GGW privileged high horse, I am a bike/metro/walking commuter)
I understand the point that roads are owned equally by all users and all users have rights to them no matter what the transportation method. But are you proposing that everywhere there is high pedestrian traffic near a road, there should be crosswalks at non-intersections?
by Nick on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 am
Insofar as there is an issue, it's that this section of Marinelli isn't serving the majority of the people who interact with it. Despite crossing Rockville Pike at a light, Marinelli is actually a very quiet road, while during rush hour the crosswalk between White Flint Metro and the NRC sees heavy pedestrian traffic. This morning, I was one of maybe two dozen people waiting for the long signal at Marinelli to end, during which time the only traffic on Marinelli was a single car turning left from Rockville Pike. The problem isn't the wall, the problem is the excessively long "don't walk" signal.
by cminus on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 am
Now here is the rhetorical question: in what way don't the excessively long "don't walk" signals and/or the wall reflect a policy that people on foot are less important road users than people in cars?
by Miriam on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 am
Maybe I'm wrong, and it just means things will develop much more slowly, but I was walking around Tysons Corner yesterday, so it could be I'm irrationally pessimistic.
by oboe on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 am
I don't mean for this to be a stupid question, but what is an unmarked crosswalk? If it isn't marked, how is anyone, especially a driver who is moving by much faster than a pedestrian, supposed to see it?
by Ted on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 am
by Ben Ross on Jan 11, 2012 11:15 am
Now the two deaths that B.O. and Cavan mentioned...those were crossing Rockville Pike and not Marinelli. Obviously a bigger pedestrian safety issue there.
by Froggie on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 am
I think you may be a little too pessimistic. Tyson's corner is trying to leap from no pedestrians at all, into pedestrian-friendly, in one big jump. I'm pretty certain they're gonna miss the target by a long ways. At the moment it's easy to be pessimistic because all the silver line related construction work has made it LESS walkable in the past 5 years (at least at the moment).
OTOH Rockville Pike, although it has some problems similar to Tysons, is not beyond hope. The intersections all supported pedestrians to begin with and there were always sidewalks too. Most of the buildings were built to allow pedestrian access. (Contrast that with Tyson's where many of the office buildings have no front door pedestrian access; you have to go in through the parking garage.) There are walkable residential early-or-mid-20th-century areas just a block or two back from Rockville Pike in many cases. I think that the correct incremental changes have a good chance of making Rockville Pike better. Georgia Ave through Montgomery County could benefit from many incremental changes too. (And you will note it also has areas with a notable number of pedestrian deaths).
by B.O. on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 am
Whether as a pedestrian you are at an unmarked crosswalk or have the legal right to cross mid-block, it's idiotic to try and cross the street if the traffic flow makes it dangerous to do so, yet we know that people are going to do it anyway. It seems to me that in these cases, the best thing to do is reduce the potential conflict points, which is exactly what these walls/fences are trying to do.
If the argument against this is that it prioritizes drivers over pedestrians, the simple fact of the matter is that despite there being many pedestrians in these locations, there are still more drivers so prioritizing vehicular traffic makes the system as a whole more efficient. The goal here shouldn't be to punish drivers for choosing to drive, but rather make the whole system safer for everyone.
by Ted on Jan 11, 2012 11:48 am
by TC on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 pm
@Ted: In this specific instance, I very much doubt that there are actually more drivers. This isn't a case of a busy pedestrian route crossing a busy road; despite its proximity to busy Rockville Pike, Marinelli east of the pike is not a road that motorists use much, for the understandable reason that there's not that much there. I don't know how much the new building going up next door to the Metro will change that, but if the tenants have the same commuting habits as the NRC employees across the street, Marinelli will stay largely empty.
by cminus on Jan 11, 2012 1:18 pm
by Ted on Jan 11, 2012 1:23 pm
It's been a while so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think back in '04 this used to be the case at East-West Highway and the entranceway to the shopping center near Colesville Road in Silver Spring. Before the standard traffic light was a flashing yellow, with drivers responsible for slowing down for crossing pedestrians at the crosswalk. Cars would fly down that stretch, and crossing was always hair-raising. One time a car was stopped to let me walk across and another car collided with it from behind, breaking the rear window. The standard traffic light intersection there now makes so much more sense. As a non-driver, I'm all for pedestrian rights, but moral of the story: eliminating a mid-road crosswalk can often make things safer for pedestrians.
by Tim on Jan 11, 2012 1:48 pm
BUT...the point here is that Montgomery County paid a LOT of money to "solve" something that was not a problem and it did so by limiting pedestrian choices.
I completely agree with you vis a vis the E-W Hwy crossing near Colesville road. The danger of that situation was exacerbated by the topography: the hill on the East side. So, I agree with you there.
But, too often, Monty County's default is to support automobile traffic over foot traffic.
by Capt. Hilts on Jan 11, 2012 2:54 pm
If pedestrians have to wait for the light to change, and cars need to wait for the light to change, how is that not sharing fairly?
by Beatbox on Jan 11, 2012 5:23 pm
I walk to the corner of K St., all the time and wait for a light. Why is this such an issue with you?
by Beatbox on Jan 11, 2012 5:24 pm
by Ruben on Jan 12, 2012 2:07 pm
I'm not sure it's true that the "epidemic" of pedestrian deaths is due to peds crossing elsewhere than at crosswalks. Consider the couple walking along the sidewalk on Jones Bridge Rd who were killed just a couple of weeks ago. It's a little lazy to claim that most ped fatalities are due to ped error (unless you have figures to back it up).
Ii have seen statistics that say over 50 percent of pedestrians struck and killed were in crosswalks at the time. (And sorry, I don't know where I read that.)
by Nancy on Jan 13, 2012 7:27 am
by dcseain on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 am
If Temporary and North Shore had an all-way stop, we'd gladly cross at the intersection. Even as a driver, i think an all-way stop there would improve traffic flow and slow traffic on North Shore, making it safer for pedestrians.
by dcseain on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 am
Yonge ['young'] and Dundas
Yonge and Bloor
Bloor and Bay.
As a result, it is now legal to turn right from Bloor to Yonge, which used to be illegal because of large numbers of pedestrians. The Barnes Dance has made that possible.
by Capt. Hilts on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 pm
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